Posted on 06/23/2011 3:39:25 PM PDT by NYer
Los Angeles Times columnist Tim Rutten, a frequent critic of the Catholic Church, sees the political debate over same-sex marriage in New York as crucial to the future of the question all across America. But Rutten, who favors legal recognition of same-sex marriage, recognizes that the issue raises serious concerns for the religious freedom of those who oppose homosexuality. Citing the conflict in Illinois, where Catholic Charities may be forced to discontinue adoptions because, Rutten looks for a legislative solution that might soften the conflict:
If a bipartisan majority in the New York Legislature can work out a path to marriage equality that doesn't involve the sort of destructive confrontation occurring in Illinois, the contribution to moral progress and the common good will be inestimable.
Rutten does not explain how the confrontation might be avoided. But his column has drawn a heavy volume of comments on the Times web site, and an editorial summary of those comments carries the unsubtle headline: "If Catholic Charities can't accept same-sex marriage, it should get out of childcare and adoption business."
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Ping!
I'm coming down on the side of Catholic Charities and voting HELL NO against ANY sick nasty fag bastards, bastardesses or plain old WTF is THAT-esses.
So the question to "how would same-sex marriage affect you?" ...
Your business might be out of business.
I am glad you benefited from their services. Otherwise you prolly would have never met ME. (It’s all about me ;-)). But on a lighter note, I just spent 5 days helping the daughter look for a place to live in Portland, Oregon. We went down to the Saturday Market and there was this QUEER FAIR (their words), and I told my daughter, look, the Portland Zoo. Ott Gott Yaysus.
Yeah, that would hold only as long as the first court challenge in a liberal Federal court. As long as the pro homosexual marriage legislation is on the books, the activists will try to force EVERYONE to accept their lifestyle. That is what has happened in MA.
“As a person who was adopted through Catholic charities, I thank GOD they have stringent policies in place. I benefited greatly by them assuring the couple who adopted me were secure in their marriage and their religion.”
Great testimony, and I wish pro-family media would interview you, and people like you. Maybe you could send a pro-family group your testimony.
“That is what has happened in MA.”
Do you know if cases of AIDS have increased in MA?
Call your Republican senators and tell them to vote No! on getting the same-sex “marriage” bill out of the Republican conference so it won’t even go to the floor, and we can “kill the bill.” There is nothing Cuomo can do about this.
Please email them now, and call them during the day on Friday.
Still time to make those calls.
“NY Senate goes home; won’t take up gay marriage bill until at least Friday
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Jun 23, 2011 10:38 PM”
We can win this battle, but it still can go eiher way.
Please pray everybody!
I would love to but I’m not very good in the political correctness department. I’d probably do more harm than good.
So the question to “how would same-sex marriage affect you?” ...
Massachusetts man fired from corporation over Christian belief in traditional marriage
“Same-sex marriage is the law” he was told
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09d/vadala/index.html
‘“Same-sex marriage is the law” he was told’
They also say abortion is the law, which is why tax payers should pay for them, they claim.
Received the following email from Brian Brown, President of the National Organization for Marriage.
The decision for the Republicans is whether to permit a vote on the bill. Most of the NY GOP will vote against this bill. But Sen. Dean Skelos, the majority leader, has punted to his conference the question of whether to permit a vote.
Why has the gay marriage bill stalled for days in New York?
The Christian Science Monitor asked the question and answered it this way: deadlock...
New York's gay marriage law remains stuck in the Republican-controlled state Senate, where legislators are considering the law's potential impact on religious groups - and, some analysts say, their own political fortunes.
Sen. Greg Ball has insisted individuals and small businesses must be protected from the threat of litigation if they refuse to participate in gay unions. The gay legal community is strongly objecting, according to CSM:
If the marriage law expanded the exemptions to include individuals or businesses, the law would be seriously weakened, says Susan Sommer, director of constitutional litigation for Lambda Legal, which supports same-sex marriage."This would be a rollback on civil rights, setting us back decades," she says.
Meanwhile Republicans are dealing with a political quagmire. Regardless of how they vote individually, if gay marriage comes to New York, it will be the Republican Party that brings it. That headline is going to reverberate across the nation—and within New York.
Sen. Rev. Ruben Diaz and Conservative Party Chairman Michael Long published an essay in National Review Online that makes that point:
Politics is a team sport. The decision of senate Republicans to take up this bill, and thus help enable Governor Cuomo's goal to pass gay marriage, will affect the way voters across the state view the Republican party....The last time the Republican party caved on a deeply important social issue - abortion - it destroyed the party's prospects for years. And for what? To help Andrew Cuomo run for president?
The consequences of gay marriage for religious liberty have never been made clearer: a Washington Post columnist actually called on Democrats in New York to reject protections under the headline "Don't Cater to Bigots."
Over at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, in a little noticed story this week, Tom Vilsack (one of the Dems in Iowa who blocked a marriage amendment permitting the people to decide) is now presiding over a government training program that teaches that support for marriage is "heterosexism"—and he wants the Obama administration to spread this training program to every part of the government! Hard to believe but it's true, according to the Washington Times:
USDA officials have asked the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), which oversees all federal employee policies, to impose its gay-awareness programs on all federal departments, according to an internal newsletter. The training includes a discussion of "heterosexism" and compares it to racism. It says people who view marriage as being between only one man and one woman are guilty of "heterosexism."
There is no shortage of evidence now that this is the prototype of what gay marriage is about and will bring—using the government to retrain everyone to understand Genesis's vision of marriage is bigotry.
The vote in NY is key to implementing such a plan; that is why pressure is being applied on these senators.
Whatever happens, let’s let them know what we think:
According to local news, the senators now have been given the bill with the revised wording they were seeking. I pray they make the wise decision ... and tonight ... because the stress has been keeping me awake for several nights.
I wish the RINOs would realize that the govt. can take away those exemptions in time, and probably will.
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