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To: TFMcGuire

‘TrinitarianBibleSociety’ is an oxymoron. there is no Trinity in the Bible. it’s not there. It is a syncretic fabrication...an attempt to explain a sublime Mystery to unlearned pagan converts; a part of the great drift away from Torah as the message moved further into The Roman-Hellenic milieu. As God told Abraham, “Go, Go for yourself!” Return to Torah; You’ll be glad you did.


30 posted on 11/19/2011 6:31:33 AM PST by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: Torahman

“‘TrinitarianBibleSociety’ is an oxymoron. there is no Trinity in the Bible. it’s not there. It is a syncretic fabrication...an attempt to explain a sublime Mystery to unlearned pagan converts; a part of the great drift away from Torah as the message moved further into The Roman-Hellenic milieu. As God told Abraham, “Go, Go for yourself!” Return to Torah; You’ll be glad you did.”

Silly man!

You are educated beyond your intelligence.

“Except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” (Jn 8:24).


33 posted on 11/19/2011 6:49:25 AM PST by TFMcGuire (Liberalism Is Hatred)
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To: Torahman
'TrinitarianBibleSociety’ is an oxymoron. there is no Trinity in the Bible.

Ah, have you read Isaiah 48:16,17 in your inspired, inerrant, verbal, plenary, preserved Scriptures?

"Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord GOD, and His Spirit, hath sent me.

Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teaches thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go." (from the AV, though not inspired, yet a faithful translation into English from the Masoretic text)

In Torah, at the very Beginning (Genesis - Bereshith) the Three Persons, as declaimed to Isaiah, are thus present in their self-assigned capacities of creation, organization, and supervision.

Furthermore, are you not similarly a triunity of flesh, heart, and spirit, made after the image of the Uniplural Elohim, as described in His Written Word by Moshiah from the very First chapter?

Are not each of the created elements manifested in solid, liquid, and gaseous phases of the same substance, capable of being together concurrently and transitioning back and forth between each of the phases without losing character?

Hunh? Eh?

56 posted on 11/19/2011 11:44:38 AM PST by imardmd1 ((Let the Redeemed of The LORD say so ...))
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To: Torahman

Actually, the words “God” “Jesus” and “Holy Spirit” and even “Holy Bible” are not in the Bible either...as they are TRANSLATIONS INTO ENGLISH FROM the original languages of Hebrew and Greek.

There’s nothing wrong with taking words and even CONCEPTS in the Bible, and upon careful scholarship and reflection, coining new words to describe those concepts. You do this and we all do this, as it is a normal part of thinking. Such is the case with the word “Trinity.”

“Biblical scholarship” is a phrase for example....not found, even in translation...in the Bible, but which never-the-less is a concept the bible teaches us is important.

Similarly Jesus calling the God His Father—Jesus sending the Holy Spirit as God, to the disciples, and Jesus accepting direct worship—are all very direct evidences that, God is the Father, God is the Son, God is the Holy Spirit—and God is one Being....but relates to us three Persons, in Holy Scripture.

Followers of Jesus have ALWAYS believed this (and 99.9% of Jesus’ followers still do....), in as much as the bible has been read and studied..... and it is absurd, intellectually arrogant, and a really cheap shot to pretend the concept of the Holy Trinity is a simply a “syncratic fabrication” made for “pagan converts.”

If you want to think that somehow the God left the Church in like AD 100....and His light and life only came back, just recently with your anti-trinitarian insight, and the rest of Jesus followers now are a bunch of blind idiots too—than you don’t worship the same God I, and other followers of Jesus do...


91 posted on 11/20/2011 6:47:35 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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