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To: Zakeet

Interesting points. Let us look at the other side of the argument.

Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy, Wayne Williams, William Bonin, David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer, Gary Ridgeway, John Wayne Glover, Ted Kaczinsky, Dennis Rader, Richard Ramirez and Seung-Hui Cho were not Mormon. That list is LONG.

So, if being Mormon drastically reduces the odds that someone will be a mass-murderer, Mormonism may be a good thing, right? it’s for the Children!

On the other hand, what of this idiotic belief that all you have to do is “accept Jesus” and you are cured of your sins? This type of thinking reduces the Ten Commandments down to Ten Suggestions. It makes one believe that the quality of one’s spiritual work does not matter if you kiss up to the Boss. The comedian EMO had a great line: I prayed for a bicycle and nothing came of it. So I stole one and prayed for God’s forgiveness.

That’s modern-day religion for you. I dare not call it Christianity.

The anti-Mormon bigotry on Free Republic is hilarious, yet sad. Ya’ think you’re sent by God, doing God’s work, dontcha? By he way, I go to CATHOLIC Church - I was there last night and was there on Friday night as well for healing mass. “Heaven knows” where I’ll be next year. I just don’t like conceited bigots, be they Baptists, Catholics, Mormans or Islamists.


27 posted on 01/08/2012 4:55:55 AM PST by Loud Mime (Shi'a and Sunni - Mormon and Baptist - Orothodox and ...... It will never end.)
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To: Loud Mime
On the other hand, what of this idiotic belief that all you have to do is “accept Jesus” and you are cured of your sins? This type of thinking reduces the Ten Commandments down to Ten Suggestions. It makes one believe that the quality of one’s spiritual work does not matter if you kiss up to the Boss. The comedian EMO had a great line: I prayed for a bicycle and nothing came of it. So I stole one and prayed for God’s forgiveness.

By he way, I go to CATHOLIC Church

And yet as a Catholic and fellow Christian your Sins are forgiven through the simple gift of God Grace through belief in Christ. A belief held common between Catholics, Orthodox, Baptist on other mainline Protestant churches, a belief that as Methodist serving Christ with others including Catholics I share in several Ecumenical Ministries all blessed, supported and endorsed by our various authorities...

That’s modern-day religion for you. I dare not call it Christianity.

So since your Church believes in forgiveness of sins through the Grace of God, are you saying you are or are not a Christian, it is rather confusing given your statement...

(BTW what I find so ironic in your statement about "modern Christianity" is that in reality it is such that gives a pass to the cults like the LDS that denigrate and demean OUR savior, and use his name for unworthy purposes all in an effort to get along, to be like Oprah and say all paths are valid. Just a thought, but you may want to see what they really say about OUR most Holy family member as well as our faith....)

31 posted on 01/08/2012 5:31:08 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Loud Mime
I just don’t like conceited bigots, be they Baptists, Catholics, Mormans or Islamists.

Ya better look in the mirror, girly.

40 posted on 01/08/2012 8:05:32 AM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: Loud Mime; Zakeet

Cured of you sins?
No cure, we are FORGIVEN of our sins, it is called Grace.
There is no bigotry towards mormons on FR, there is however exposing of mormonISM.
As a claimed Catholic you might do well to find out what mormonISM teaches about Catholicism before you defend it.
As a claimed Catholic you should understand Grace and forgiveness.


41 posted on 01/08/2012 8:10:44 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Loud Mime

I just don’t like conceited bigots,

- - - - -
You mean like yourself?


43 posted on 01/08/2012 8:58:52 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: Loud Mime
I just don’t like conceited bigots, be they Baptists, Catholics, Mormans or Islamists.

You must find it hard to live with yourself then.

51 posted on 01/08/2012 10:27:58 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Loud Mime
At least as a Catholic you would know better than to try and claim that Mormons are Christians, the Catholic church is clear that they are not.

This is from Catholic Answers and is part of their list of non-Christian religions.

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54 posted on 01/08/2012 10:49:25 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Loud Mime
The anti-Mormon bigotry on Free Republic is hilarious, yet sad.

Here: Have some MORE sad laughs!!!


But do NOT call it bigotry...



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

58 posted on 01/08/2012 11:56:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Loud Mime; Zakeet
Interesting points. Let us look at the other side of the argument. Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy, Wayne Williams, William Bonin, David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer, Gary Ridgeway, John Wayne Glover, Ted Kaczinsky, Dennis Rader, Richard Ramirez and Seung-Hui Cho were not Mormon. That list is LONG.

Well, Ted Bundy was a Mormon. The guy that shot up (& killed some people) @ that Colorado Springs church some years back was also a Mormon convert.

So, if being Mormon drastically reduces the odds that someone will be a mass-murderer, Mormonism may be a good thing, right? [Loud Mime]

Article excerpts:

* A Mormon teenager will stand trial for allegedly helping her lover to kill his 16-year-old ex-girlfriend, a judge has ruled. Toni Fratto, 19, and Kody Patten, 18, are accused of hitting Micaela Costanzo over the head with a shovel, cutting her throat and then burying her body in a shallow grave just outside West Wendover, Nevada.
Source: Teenager 'helped fiancé beat his ex-girlfriend to death with shovel'
* ...admitted killer Christopher A. Gribble begins Monday with the selection of jurors who will decide whether Gribble was legally insane when he and Steven Spader slaughtered a Mont Vernon mother and maimed her daughter during a random 2009 home invasion...His trial in Hillsborough County Superior Court likely will differ from that of his machete-wielding accomplice Spader, found guilty by a jury Nov. 9 of all six counts of first-degree murder, attempted murder and related charges. Gribble, a Brookline Eagle Scout, admitted he stabbed and slashed local nurse Kimberly L. Cates, 42, to death with a knife and nearly killed her daughter, Jaimie, then 11, in the pre-dawn attack, but claimed he was insane at the time and not criminally responsible...Gribble is a high school graduate who grew up a devout Mormon and attended Sunday school at Spader's next-door neighbor's house.
Source: Gribble insanity trial jury selection begins (A REAL MORMON)

And then, how does that ongoing "roster" of other Mormon killers impact your assumptions?

Mormon murderers like...
...Gary Gilmore & Ronnie Lee Gardner...
...or ex-Lds missionary-to-Philippines Arthur Gary Bishop...
...or 5-time Mormon killer Glenn Taylor Helzer...
...Or ex-Lds missionary murderer to Winnipeg Mark Hacking...
...Or bomber-murderer-scammer Mark Hofmann...
...or ex-Lds missionary-to-France fugitive murderer Jason Brown...
...or 19th century murderer Porter Rockwell, one of Brigham Young's and Joseph's Smith's body guards...
...or Wild Bill Hickman, another of Young's body guards, who wrote a "tell-all" book about it...
....or the dozens to hundreds of Mormon child mass murderers/mommy&daddy mass murderers never even brought to trial for the execution-style Mountain Meadows Massacre...

I mean, Arthur Gary Bishop, Mark Hacking, and Jason Brown were all former Lds missionaries. I mean what? Do we find all kinds of murderers in the former CHRISTIAN missionary population?

Yes? Where?

78 posted on 01/09/2012 6:02:16 AM PST by Colofornian (Romney = pro-abortion)
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