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To: HiTech RedNeck

Calvinists do not teach that God forced salvation on us against our will. That makes God to be something less than the Creator, as if he were just one of many contestants for our attention. But if he gives a dead man life, and the man proceeds to live, what else could one expect?

As for analogies of salvation and God’s role in it, the only reason I mention the danger of reliance on extra-Scriptural analogies is that God has already given us a number of Scriptural analogies, such as life from death, new birth, blind receiving sight, etc., and those are the ones I do rely on, and can rely on, because they have been vetted by the Holy Spirit. And for those analogies, I would say not that the analogy is crude, but my understanding of it, and always subject to improvement.

Yet neither would I say such analogies are so fraught with the danger of misuse that God erred in selecting them as a way to show us His truth. Being awakened from the nightmare of slavery to sin is truly like a resurrection, and God in giving us this analogy has given a great gift to help us understand His love and power toward us.

This is the doctrine of perspicuity of the Scriptures, that God is a wise and effective communicator, and His word accomplishes the purpose he sends it out to accomplish. As in everything else with God, God does not fail. Ever.


327 posted on 05/19/2013 11:45:43 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Calvinists do not teach that God forced salvation on us against our will. That makes God to be something less than the Creator, as if he were just one of many contestants for our attention. But if he gives a dead man life, and the man proceeds to live, what else could one expect?

Thanks for the interesting commentary, I have only a few minutes. What could the dead man "just brought to life" do? Well in theory if virtually never in practice, commit suicide? You could say that the Lord will never bring life to the doorstep of a dead man who would do that, I suppose, and then we get into the labyrinthine conundrum of a God who can read will in logical advance (if not in earthly time sequence advance) but not fix that will. But I'm thinking there could be cases like that and it's what Jesus meant as, at least, the most tragic cases of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Anyhow I can tell you what it was like when I got saved and I do not need a Calvinism committee to tell me oh, I received it the wrong way.

359 posted on 05/20/2013 10:20:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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