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To: Responsibility2nd; Errant
...which is exactly what the Holy Spirit does the moment we are saved. "For by ONE SPIRIT are we all BAPTIZED INTO ONE BODY..."(1 Cor. 12:13). It is the Holy Spirit that places us (baptizes us) into Christ the very moment we trust in the finished work of Christ.

And how do we KNOW it's a SPIRITUAL BAPTISM and NOT a WATER BAPTISM?

"For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the GOdhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are CIRCUMCISED with the circumcision MADE WITHOUT HANDS, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: BURIED with him in BAPTISM, wherein also ye are RISEN with him through the FAITH OF THE OPERATION OF GOD, who hath raised him from the dead." (Col.2:9-14). This is ALL about the Holy Spirit's work. It is ALL SPIRITUAL. NOT physical. The baptism is no more physical than the circumcision is.

16 posted on 10/23/2013 5:51:54 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: Responsibility2nd; smvoice; pastorbillrandles
John the Baptist said, as recorded in Luke 3:16, "I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

While certainly a very worthy ceremony to adhere to, and one I most strongly encourage, it's obviously not an absolute necessity.

For the same reason Abraham, Moses or the prophets weren’t baptized. Christ had not died, had not been buried, and had not risen again when they all died.

Note that John was baptizing before the crucifixion.

Cherry picking one or two passages alone is unscriptual.

The scriptures I reference stand alone in there meaning (i.e., no context needed).

By the way, you didn’t answer my question. Can you be saved without repenting?

As the scriptures say many times and in many books, Call upon the Lord; profess your faith in Yeshua Messiah; ask forgiveness of your sins; is all that is necessary to be called up at his second coming. Remain in Messiah lest ye join the queue for judgment of your works at the end. :-)

18 posted on 10/23/2013 6:18:33 PM PDT by Errant
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