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Computer system could help deaf Catholics make confessions
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| December 20, 2013
Posted on 12/23/2013 5:34:11 AM PST by NYer
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posted on
12/23/2013 5:34:11 AM PST
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NYer
To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
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posted on
12/23/2013 5:34:36 AM PST
by
NYer
("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
To: NYer
In one movie I saw, Fr. Damien rowed a boat near a ship on which his bishop had travelled, and shouted his Confession to the bishop in Latin.
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posted on
12/23/2013 5:40:54 AM PST
by
Tax-chick
("Our infinite sadness can only be cured by an infinite love." ~Pope Francis)
To: NYer
You realize this puts a shudder through the Sign Language Interpreters community...
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posted on
12/23/2013 5:44:38 AM PST
by
freedumb2003
(Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
To: NYer
The messages are erased at the end of each confession.
Oh yeah, what could go wrong?
BTW, if Catholics were able to confess directly to God, the same way they pray, you wouldn't need the computer, the priest who can sign, or the priest for that matter.
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posted on
12/23/2013 5:48:01 AM PST
by
oh8eleven
(RVN '67-'68)
To: freedumb2003
You realize this puts a shudder through the Sign Language Interpreters community...The deaf people in my community write on note paper while in the confessional. I have several deaf acquaintances.
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posted on
12/23/2013 6:02:18 AM PST
by
verga
(The devil is in the details)
To: oh8eleven
BTW, if Catholics were able to confess directly to God, the same way they pray, you wouldn't need the computer, the priest who can sign, or the priest for that matter.
How can I explain to Protestant friends why Catholics go to confession? They ask, "Can't God forgive your sins directly?"
Fr. Eamon Tobin has written in The Sacrament of Penance:
In response to this question, the first remark I often make is, "Why do we not object to having a mediator, another man, at the sacrament of baptism? Why dont we just baptize ourselves?" Baptism, among other things, cleanses us of sin. The sacrament of reconciliation is like a second baptism; it cleanses us of post-baptismal sin. If we have no objections to another mans mediating to us Gods grace in the sacrament of baptism, why should we object to another mans mediating Gods grace in the sacrament of reconciliation?
The primary reason, however, why the Catholic Church asks her members to confess their sins to a priest is simply because the Church has always believed that sin, however private, is a community affair. Every sin, however small, wounds the Body of Christ, the members of the Church. . . . When any of its members sin, they all suffer. Moreover, because my sins wound the community and diminish its effectiveness, reconciliation must include the community and not just God. In the confessional, the priest is the representative of God and of the community. In the confessional, the priest represents the whole Christ, the Head (Jesus) and the members (the Church). [Emphases added]
To: NYer
Interesting. I must admit I never thought of this problem before. Good to see the Church is on top of things.
To: oh8eleven
yes, I skip the whole deal too and go directly to Jesus. Even if I was deaf, he could still hear my thoughts. Sign language and computers not needed.
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posted on
12/23/2013 6:41:29 AM PST
by
Bulwyf
To: verga
>>The deaf people in my community write on note paper while in the confessional. I have several deaf acquaintances.<<
I was talking about the technology, not its application.
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posted on
12/23/2013 6:43:22 AM PST
by
freedumb2003
(Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
To: oh8eleven; Carpe Cerevisi
Just to add one thing to Carpe Cerevisi’s post:
We Catholics not only can but are encouraged to confess our sins to God directly, every time we realize we have sinned (and every night in case we forgot about some sin during the day).
The confession with a priest gives us assurance that the sin(s) have been forgiven, and that we aren’t fooling ourselves thinking we are truly sorry (contrite) when we are not.
God only forgives the truly contrite. The problem is we can all too easily fool ourselves into believing we are truly sorry when we are not. Anyone who denies this is the case is lying to themselves.
Fortunately though, He instituted the Sacrament of Penance to supplement any lack of contrition on our part with His Grace. Thus through this supplementation we can be assured we are as contrite as the Most Holy requires.
We are so contrite, not through our effort alone but by cooperating with Him.
To: oh8eleven
BTW, if Catholics were able to confess directly to God, the same way they pray, you wouldn't need the computer, the priest who can sign, or the priest for that matter. But that wouldn't be Biblical.
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posted on
12/23/2013 6:55:11 AM PST
by
papertyger
("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
To: oh8eleven
>>BTW, if Catholics were able to confess directly to God, the same way they pray, you wouldn’t need the computer, the priest who can sign, or the priest for that matter. >>
We do confess directly to God when we go to Confession. The priest is merely the intermediary to whom Jesus told while He walked this earth, “Whose sins ye shall forgive will be forgiven them; whose sins ye shall retain shall be retained.” Jesus therefor created the act of Confession.
We are sometimes confused about what is a sin, and what isn’t. We receive excellent advice from the priest when we confess to him. And, of course we can ask Jesus’ forgiveness while we wait until we go to Confession. Both things work together.
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posted on
12/23/2013 7:03:47 AM PST
by
kitkat
(STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
To: NYer
“Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned...”
“Just a moment, my son. You’ll have to be patient with me, I’m running Vista....”
To: oh8eleven
BTW, if Catholics were able to confess directly to God, the same way they pray
No, they pray to Mary, hoping she'll tell God what to do, because she's His mother and he has to do what he says. Why else would they pray to Mary as their intercessor instead of directly to God?
To: Old Yeller
No, they pray to Mary, hoping she'll tell God what to do, because she's His mother
No, Mary is not God's mother.
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posted on
12/23/2013 8:47:27 AM PST
by
oh8eleven
(RVN '67-'68)
To: oh8eleven
Mary is not God's mother. Then you deny that Jesus Christ is God?
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posted on
12/23/2013 8:50:59 AM PST
by
NYer
("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
To: NYer
I wonder if this would have helped me. The day before I rotated back from Thailand in 1963, I tried to go to confession in a Thai church. I asked the priest if he understood English. He didn't. So I got up and left the box. Would Babelfish have translated my confession accurately enough?
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posted on
12/23/2013 8:53:18 AM PST
by
JoeFromSidney
( book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, available from Amazon.)
To: FourtySeven; Carpe Cerevisi
God only forgives the truly contrite.
Actually, my original question (why not confess directly to God?) is moot because I don't believe God sees, hears or does anything.
I mean, where has He been during all the suffering by mankind since Day 1?
Look at just the the 20th Century alone ... WWI, WWII, the Holocaust.
The only God I can believe in is one who created the Universe, gave us free will, and has been hands off ever since.
This does not demean your religious beliefs by any means, but I just can't believe an "interactive" God stood by and did nothing.
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posted on
12/23/2013 9:07:26 AM PST
by
oh8eleven
(RVN '67-'68)
To: NYer
Then you deny that Jesus Christ is God?
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son ..."
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posted on
12/23/2013 9:11:38 AM PST
by
oh8eleven
(RVN '67-'68)
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