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Posted on 02/22/2014 2:07:57 PM PST by Gamecock
A former member of the Potter’s House church in Dallas has allegedly been stalking its pastor, Bishop T.D. Jakes, for the last three years. A judge extended a temporary restraining order until next Monday.
Jakes sued Karleisha Tarver last month, and a court hearing Monday will determine whether a temporary injunction should be issued, ordering her to stay away from the pastor, reports the Star-Telegram.
The restraining order says Tarver cannot come within 500 feet of the pastor, his family and employees.
“I would love to comment, but I can’t because this case is pending,” says Jakes’ attorney, Faith Johnson, the Star-Telegram reports.
According to court documents, Tarver could take actions that “may ultimately lead to the death of one of the plaintiffs, their family, their friends, church attendees and/or staff.”
Judge Susan McCoy also issued a bench warrant for Tarver, who was arrested Jan. 26 and accused of criminal trespass when she reportedly tried to attend the church’s services.
According to the lawsuit, the harassment began in March 2011, when Tarver walked up to the front door of Jakes’ home. She was escorted away from the property by security officers.
Later that month she was escorted from the Dallas church when she tried to attend services. She was excommunicated from the church in May 2011.
Two months later, Tarver showed up for a Bible study at the church campus in Fort Worth, where she twice “yelled out” and was escorted out by security officers. The lawsuit says Fort Worth police officers issued a criminal trespass citation.
Court documents allege that Tarver showed up at Jakes’ home and the Potter’s House churches in Fort Worth and Dallas numerous times between 2011 and January of this year.
The harassment escalated on Jan. 5, when Tarver attempted to approach the altar where Jakes was preaching. Church security officers escorted her out, and the church counseling staff tried to help her and told her she was “going about things the wrong way,” says the lawsuit.
The suit also says Tarver appeared at Jakes’ home four times last month. On Jan. 7, after being approached by security officers when she was spotted in the driveway, the woman sped up and tried to hit one of them. The lawsuit says she drove away, but police were notified.
Tarver showed up three more time, once “screaming obscenities.” On the last occasion, she was cited for criminal trespass but refused to sign the citation, according to the lawsuit.
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Is she doing this to him because he’s black?
Or is he doing this to her because she’s black?
This one is going to be hard for the judge to decide unless he can figure out who is the victim here.
T.D. Jakes....
The name is familiar.
Where’s he coming from?
Woman, thou art loosed!
Potters House in Dallas.
On Oprah a lot.
Big burly black guy who graces a lot of books.
Denies the Trinity.
gossiping again...
Potters House in Dallas.
On Oprah a lot.
Big burly black guy who graces a lot of books.
Denies the Trinity.
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That is not what I read..
T.D. Jakes says he has embraced doctrine of the Trinity
http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=37054
I remember when that “Big burly black guy” was here in Rand, West Virginia and often did not have enough money to pay the light bill for his church. Hey I’m glad he made it big but what about his church members here back in Rand? Should he not be building/supporting his old church here?
For the record Rand is a one horse town 20 minuets east of Charleston.
No. Discerning. Mormons should try that sometime. Oh, and name calling to silence others is certainly the strategy of Liberals, wouldn't you say?
Potters House in Dallas. (Are you saying he isn't with the Potters House?)
On Oprah a lot. (Are you saying he isn't?
Big burly black guy who graces a lot of books. (Well, he certainly isn't an emaciated white guy)
Now for the important part: Denies the Trinity.
While he came out as a Trinitarian in 2012, let's visit his church's website and see where his bouncing ball lands today: There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three manifestations: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. (Emphasis mine)
This is not hardly a ringing endorsement of Trinitarian belief. Rather it still rings of the Oneness Pentecostalism that his heresy is grounded in. There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three manifestations: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Colossians 2:9 NKJV
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
What of it.
It is the way the apostles understood it. Three 'persons' is a Catholic invention.
If you want to base your personal theology on one verse wretched from the totality of Scripture knock yourself out.
John 10:30 NKJV
I and My Father are one.
You seem quick to throw heresy accusations around and when presented with Scripture, you call it 'wretched'. Alrighty then!
I believe that to the extent that the Godhead could ever have been extinguished, it occurred so on the Cross. That the very elements were shaken,that many dead patriarchs came back to life, and that the temple veil was ripped in twain tells me that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost shared in oneness, that same pain, agony and sense of abandonment that Christ felt on that cross when he cried out..”Eli, lama Sabachthani!
People speak about the trinity and talk about various parts, passionately arguing over their various separate functions like a field manual explaining how to strip down a gun and put it back together. I never hear anything about the intimate oneness of the Godhead and certainly not enough about the Love that motivated the Godhead and God the begotten Son to move to ameliorate mankind's wretched condition!
It is my personal belief of course, but I think the angels that support and surround the throne of God must have trembled with the grief the Father was experiencing...Father, Son, and Holy Ghost all one in unity, sharing in those unknowable intimate realities with each other as the Son gave up the ghost,all experiencing the deserved death of a sinner in their own unique ways, yet never having sinned. The trap was sprung though, and death and hell were invaded by God in flesh who now held the keys! The power of the grave was now broken, and Christ's resurrection as living God in Flesh was God's blood and spirit signature on a new covenant that all men could take part in, if they truly believed!
I don't see where this man is all wrong on the particulars and his making a statement supportive of Trinitarian ideas shows his thinking is being directed in that direction.
The term “trinity” is itself not mentioned in the scriptures but it is the best, “useful” phrase that describes or helps ‘encapsulate’, for our limited intellects, the realities of God that otherwise surpass any human’s ability to put into language. Yet perhaps the simplest and best explanation for the various “parts and functions of the Godhead may be 3 simple words, which are often overlooked in the loquacious treatises on the subject: GOD IS LOVE!
None can agree to disagree its either their way or no way...
In the old days they denied the Son as personage, now they deny the Father as a personage.
John 10: NKJV
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
If what the Trinity Claims 3 in one substance and Jesus said we too are to be "one" that substances is getting awfully big...
John 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
Some observations: Jesus says ALL authority is granted to Him - no other person. Name is NOT plural - it is singular. Yet in the book of Acts, ALL are Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus' apostles were Jews - they would not understand a three 'person' Trinity.
If God created us in His image and likeness, how can we understand the Trinity other than our soul (Father), our body (Son) and our actions (Holy Spirit).
You like Sola Scriptura?
The phrases:
God the Father—scriptural
God the Son—not scriptural
God the Holy Ghost(Spirit)—not scriptural
Son of God—scriptural
Spirit of God—scriptural
**Now for the important part: Denies the Trinity.**
So does this man:
“Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son......as thou hast GIVEN him power over ALL flesh....that they might know thee” (the Father, remember?) “the ONLY TRUE GOD,” (comma) “and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent”. John 17:1-3
He says this: “..he that hath seen me hath seen the Father....Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?...the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me..”. Jn 14:9-11
Speaking of the coming Comforter, the Son says: “if I go not away, the Comforter will NOT come”. Jn 16:7
What?...two persons of the ‘trinity’ can’t be in the same place at the same time. What a mess!
The Son says further: “I came forth FROM the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.” Jn 16:28 And..”the Comforter...whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth FROM the Father, he shall testify of me.” Jn 15:26
Jesus Christ HAD to go away. The same Spirit that was in him without measure, was going to be given in measure to believers. He could not enter people physically, but Spiritually.
The Father is THE source of all things divine. And, Jesus Christ is the headquarters habitation of the infinite, almighty, God the Father, who gives of his Spirit.
ping to #18
**There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three manifestations: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.**
The better definition is: The only true God (the Father), that was made manifest in his Son, and proved it with His Spirit.
Therefore all oneness organizations need for a definition is 1 Tim. 3:16....
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
Break it down: “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God” (the only true God, remember?)”was manifest in the flesh” (the Father in me, he doeth the works)”, justified in the Spirit (without measure. I am in the Father, and the Father in me, remember?), seen of angels, etc.
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