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Why Did God Kill Onan? Luther, Calvin, Wesley, C.S. Lewis, & Others on Contraception
Biblical Evidence for Catholicism ^ | Monday, February 09, 2004 | Dave Armstrong

Posted on 10/26/2014 8:08:35 AM PDT by GonzoII

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Somewhat intolerant I'd say..../s
1 posted on 10/26/2014 8:08:35 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

I’m a protestant, and I oppose contraception. The world should have listened to Pope Paul VI.


2 posted on 10/26/2014 8:23:59 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Democrats have a lynch mob mentality. They always have.)
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To: Morgana; Charles Henrickson

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3 posted on 10/26/2014 8:24:52 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GonzoII

Another sin I need to ask forgiveness...*sigh* My family would be HUGE If...IF....


4 posted on 10/26/2014 8:27:51 AM PDT by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28- 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: GonzoII

Interesting that the author uses Luther as authority.

Am I assume we are all to thus give equal credence to all his other writings?

Lewis is clearly writing about the eugenics movement, people like Margret Sanger, trying to control breeding of unwanted types.


5 posted on 10/26/2014 8:30:50 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ClearCase_guy

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6 posted on 10/26/2014 8:35:01 AM PDT by LYDIAONTARIO
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To: GonzoII

Regarding Onan, the stated reason for the slaying was that he reneged on his obligation under the covenant he entered into.


7 posted on 10/26/2014 8:38:29 AM PDT by odawg
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To: GonzoII

Onan displeased God not because he spilled his seed but because he opted to follow the law and then pulled out, so to speak. He had the option to decline, but going into his sister in law and intentionally avoiding completion of the task was not the prescribed way of exercising that option.


8 posted on 10/26/2014 8:42:57 AM PDT by Ahithophel (Communication is an art form susceptible to sudden technical failures)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Thank you for this gracious comment.

I once had a long car ride with a Unitarian-Universalist gal (to be fair, she had been brought up Catholic) wherein for hours we talked back and forth about the morality of contraception.

We both persisted in this converstion through sunshine and snowstorm, hour after hour, because we both believed that IF it is true that contraception is morally objectionable, it MUST be something rooted in Natural Law, i.e. what is right and fitting for us as human beings, discernible by reason guided by good will.

So we we weren't just talking about Onan. We were talking about the whole consequences of a wholly Onanistic mentality and culture.

We came to the the conclusion that contraception really launched our society off in the wrong direction, It is a choice against the normal and in favor of the subnormal. It is a choice against whole sex in favor of fragmented, functionally impaired sex. It is a thread which, if you cut it and then start pulling it out, necessarily unravels the whole sweater.

I wish I could remember that whole conversation. (It was years and years ago.) I really think everybody could figure this out, if they looked deeply enough into how God's design works --- how all the threads are connected.

9 posted on 10/26/2014 8:43:28 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Will you still need me, will you still feed me... when I'm 63?)
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To: odawg
Regarding Onan, the stated reason for the slaying was that he reneged on his obligation under the covenant he entered into.

That's how I've always seen it. Onan basically enjoyed a roll in the hay without doing his duty. Also, people who see this story as being about contraception presumably believe it is a brother's duty to impregnate his brother's wife?

10 posted on 10/26/2014 8:48:34 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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Well, Judah reneged too, but he wasn't punished by death. The Bible does not prescribe a punishment of death of merely reneging: Deuteronomy records that the man was to be publicly shamed at the city gates.

Genesis 38 states that Onan was punished by death for what? For "the thing which he did," which had just been described: a contracepted act of sex.

11 posted on 10/26/2014 8:49:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (He who sat on the White Horse is called Faithful and True: in righteousness He judges and wages war.)
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To: Sans-Culotte
No: for one thing, it is impossible to guarantee impregnating. Some people are naturally infertile, and some times are naturally infertile..

We do that it is forbidden to intentionally impair the act of sexual union by frustrating its natural end.

13 posted on 10/26/2014 8:53:05 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (He who sat on the White Horse is called Faithful and True: in righteousness He judges and wages war.)
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To: GonzoII

Adam and Eve were “kicked” out of the garden and commanded by G_D to go forth and multiply. If Adam and Eve had practised contraception, we wouldn’t be here today.

Never mind, I need a shot of caffeine. :)


14 posted on 10/26/2014 8:53:17 AM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The human race engaged in contraception since the very beginning. It was crude but it often worked.

Some cultures killed their unwanted or imperfect newborns. Some cultures merely murdered their unwanted female fetuses by strangulation or throwing them down a dry well. Some put their deformed babies on a small raft and set them out to sea.

Many cultures didn't value the life of a newborn very much, did they?

15 posted on 10/26/2014 8:56:13 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ClearCase_guy

I know of a Protestant minister who had his vasectomy reversed when he realized how much God hated contraception. His wife promptly gave birth to two more children within just a few years. He in turn is encouraging others to do the same.


16 posted on 10/26/2014 9:03:00 AM PDT by Slyfox (To put on the mind of George Washington read all of Deuteronomy 28)
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To: GonzoII

The real problem with what Onan did was to attempt to break the lineage to Christ. Read the continuation of Genesis and the first chapter of Matthew to find out how the lineage was re-established.


17 posted on 10/26/2014 9:06:30 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: GonzoII

Onan was not killed for being unwilling to impregnate her. He was unwilling to fulfill his role as his brother’s keeper and provide for his brother’s wife and her children.


18 posted on 10/26/2014 9:17:12 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sin is conceived in the heart long before it is born in the actions.

If contraception is a sin, then it’s not the CAUSE of the moral decay in our society, but the SYMPTOM.

No sin ever catches on unless people are willing to engage in it and that is because they have already compromised in their heart.

To say that contraception causes moral failure denies the empowering work of the Holy Spirit to give people the ability to resist sin. Then we’re all just victims of our circumstances and can’t help ourselves.

Which is not true.


19 posted on 10/26/2014 9:25:14 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Starstruck

That’s “one” of the real problems. It’s not the only one.


20 posted on 10/26/2014 9:30:12 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (He who sat on the White Horse is called Faithful and True: in righteousness He judges and wages war.)
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