WHAT false words in my statement??? When I said:
One post you admit that we are saved by grace and the next you assert we arent saved unless we obey the Torah and endure to the end doing so
To which YOU said:
Change the are and arent to Will be, and Will not be and you will have a fully scriptural statement that is totally supported by all of the apostle authors, and all of the ancient scriptures.
That means you assert:
I can show you many verses that say we ARE saved by grace - present tense. Can you show me any that say only that we "will be" saved by grace and that it is only at some possible future event after we have "obeyed the Torah" completely? I can show you Scripture that says we are not saved by obeying the Torah. Can you show me anywhere that says we will not be saved unless we obey the Torah/the Law of Moses? The more you post, the more convinced I am that you haven't the foggiest idea what "grace" really is. Read Paul's epistle to the Romans. Maybe it might help you. Also see:
>> That means you assert:
We will be saved by grace and we will not be saved unless we obey the Torah”. <<
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That is the essence of what Yeshua and his apostles have told us.
The difficulty you seen to be having with grasping the fine points of this id probably because you were taught exactly what I was taught.
Problem with all that childhood learning is that none of it fits scripture.
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