Posted on 12/07/2014 4:30:17 AM PST by wheat_grinder
There’s nothing convoluted about it: the expression “three days and three nights” in Scripture is idiomatic. It was well understood at that time that it could mean 3 literal days (72 hours exactly) or less than 72 hours.
Days weren’t always 24 hour literal periods in other words. So He was crucified and died on a Friday (one day) was in the grave Saturday (2 days) and then rose on Sunday. 3 days.
Nothing convoluted at all, except for those who have an agenda.
Agenda? My agenda is truth. Your agenda is adherance to tradition. Jesus the messiah WAS in the tomb 3 days and three nights. (Look up nights for that passage in Strong’s) Yeshua was crucified just before the Sabbath or holy day right? Did you know that was not the regular Sabbath but a special feast day? No you probably didn’t. So until you understand what special feast day(s) were taking place at that time you will not understand correctly the scriptures. And no I’ll not spell it out for you. Remain in ignorance or do this...2 Timothy 2:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
What do you mean here? Are you suggesting I examine the Greek word for "night" in the passage in question? (Matt 12:39-40)
Wrong, it was a literal three days. “God is not man that he should lie”.
There were two Sabbaths that week with Passover, the High Sabbath prior to Saturday, and the previous day being the Day of Preparation for the High Sabbath.
Jesus was the Passover Sin sacrificed for the sins of the World that year.
Corrected statement in last reply...Not “Passover sin” but “Passover Lamb”
I would refer you to post 20 where APD laid out the case very well. The three day and three night statement does not mean a literal 72 hour time period and the first centuries Jews understood this idiomatic expression very well.
It’s as if my wife tells me we are out of bread and I tell her “ I will run to the store and buy some”. I get in my car and drive to the store.
Did I “run” to the store? I didn’t not run as a runner, but used an. Idiomatic expression which meant go to the store, regardless of method ( in this example driving )
Your explanation would work if the phrase was “3 days” but it’s not. The phrase is 3 days and 3 nights. Just as the Hebrew phrase in Jonah specifies.
The word nights (3571 Strongs) used in Matthew 12:40 is the Greek word nux. Here is the definition-Nux is used literally of the alternating natural period to that of the day.e.g. Mt 4:2 ;12:40;2 Ti 1:3 ;Rev 4:8.
If you’ll notice Matthew 12:40 (the verse in question) is listed as one of the verses where this definition is applicable. The term “ 3 days and 3 nights” is not an idiom as you state. It is a literal span of 3 days and 3 nights.
Shame on all who twist scripture to fit their tradition.
Do not rely on anyone to interpret for you without verifying their interpretation.
Yes sir, I am. After that you will see an idiom is not what was meant here.
Only to those who don't understand what YHWH's Holy Days are for... A dreadful mistake on the part of Christianity.
Actually, Pentecost happened upon the Holy Day called Shavuot. Maybe studying Shavuot will provide a clearer linkage.
Ok, let’s verify your belief. On what day did Jesus die? I believe you agree he rose on the first day of the week, if not, on what day did He rise?
Remember, Jesus rose “on the third day”, and also be sure to number days as Jesus Himself did in Luke 13, namely:
Day of event - today
Day after event - tomorrow- 2nd day
Day after tomorrow - 3rd day
Ok. I wish to be as clear as possible with you, so I would like to ask you one more yes or no question before I proceed (thank you for answering the last one so succinctly; I ask you do so again one more time):
Are you saying that in Matt 12:40, the phrase "three days and three nights" must and can only be an exact 72-hour period?
Yes or no please.
No
Ok, then if the phrase “three days and three nights” doesn’t necessarily mean exactly 72 hours, I don’t see how you can say it necessarily proves a Sunday resurrection is impossible?
For if it doesn’t necessarily mean an exact 72 hour period, a (Traditional) Friday crucifixion and Sunday Resurrection are just as possible as, say, a Wednesday crucifixion and a Saturday Resurrection (if that is your belief, which I don’t even know that; I don’t know what you believe as far as when He was crucified and when He rose from the dead).
I am in agreement Jesus arose on the early morning of the first day of the week. The scripture is plain on that. He was crucified, died and laid in the tomb just before sunset. Fit 3 nights into that scenario and you will arrive at the correct day. The reason people get confused is that they do not understand Passover, the day of preparation and the feast of unleavened bread. This has been the case for a very long time.
If you truly desire truth there is enough information here for all the search terms you will need.
Hint-The Sabbath beginning at sunset after Jesus’ death is not the Sabbath you think. :-)
All I’m saying is 3 days and 3 nights were between his crucifixion and resurrection. Jesus definitely arose early Sunday morning. From Friday afternoon to Sunday morning does not provide the 3 nights necessary to agree with scripture. The common misconception is that the Sabbath spoken of in scripture that was to begin at sunset on the crucifixion day was the regular, 7th day Sabbath. It was not.
Well, what was it, you ask? It is a study that will bless you and help you understand many mysteries should you decide to delve into it.
Luke 24:21 and besides all this it is now the third day since this happened.
Ok, the first day of the week is established as “the third day” since Jesus died.
Let’s count shall we?
The day before the first day is the 7th day, so that would be the second say since Jesus died.
The day before the 7th day is the sixth day, this is the day Jesus died.
Counting forward, the way the Jews and the Scriptures count days:
6th day - Friday - Jesus dies. - day one
7th day - Saturday - 2nd day - tomorrow
1st day - Sunday - 3rd day - Jesus rises from the dead
Of course anyone vaguely aware of how Jews and the Scriptures count days, knows any part of a day or night counts as one whole day.
This is not in dispute. The Jews have attacked Christianity down thru history on many doctrines, but never on when Jesus died and what day would have been the third day. Of course Christian Church Fathers are unanimous as well, since the Apostles were witnesses to these events and the Church receive it’s doctrine from the Apostles.
I have noted you did not give day Jesus died, obviously if not Friday, Sunday would not be the third day.
How many Sabbaths do the Scriptures say the women rested? Answer - just one.
If there were two separate Sabbaths, why didn’t the women go and prepare the body after the first one?
Luke 23 up to v56 occurs on the 6th day Friday.
Luke 23 v56 last part of verse occurs on 7th day or Saturday.
Luke 24 v1 occurs on first day of week or Sunday.
No other days are mentioned.
“Of course anyone vaguely aware of how Jews and the Scriptures count days, knows any part of a day or night counts as one whole day.”
Ok. Show me 3 nights or parts thereof.
“This is not in dispute.”
Oh yes it is!
If you are unwilling to research the feast times taking place at Jesus’ crucifixion you will not understand. It is a simple task but one I’m afraid you are unwilling to undertake because of tradition. Be more afraid of offending God than man when presented with truth.
You probably know this and I don’t mean to offend but you do know the Jewish day begins at sundown, right?
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