Posted on 12/07/2014 4:30:17 AM PST by wheat_grinder
Either your math is off or you were taken in by that charlatan Zola or his disciples.
What do I make of this: Someone wanting to raise a ruckus about something just to raise a ruckus.
Christians began holding services on the first day of the week (Sunday) because of that is the day that Jesus, their and for me, my Saviour, arose from the dead as he had said. And I remember being taught that in Sunday School as a child 60+ years ago.
Thus time to turn the heat off under the “tempest teapot” on this one.
Either your math is off or you were taken in by that charlatan Zola or his disciples.
That must be what it is then because I did not have to do any math by reading the Bible.
You may consider it a “ruckus” over nothing but I consider the ten commandments a fairly important document.
What I consider a ruckus is the use of such a topic to cause gratuitous attacks on Catholics and Protestants that result in discord and rancor, some of which showed up within the first couple of dozen posts of the thread. Folks who delight in making attacks and not doing sensible discussion.
Just because some view this topic as a means to further agendas and not discuss the merits of the information does not mean the topic should not be broached. I try to ignore attacks and stick with serious discussion of which there is much on this board.
Are there not references to every day being holy?
Research good.
Legalism bad.
Legalism and corruption are what Christ cleansed from the temple. Not greed - which is mentioned in none of the gospel accounts. (Don't fall prey to the mis-teachings of the Left. Christ is a free market Man.)
You obviously enjoy specifics: what specifically is listed as the marketed products Christ drove out by whip?
Household items maybe, pots, pans, Paula Dean knives? No, that wasn't it.
Ham sandwiches, beer, popcorn, a pack of smokes? Nope.
Hymnals, loin-girding belts, Herod bobble-heads? Again, no.
It was sacrificially 'clean' animals - sheep, oxen, doves. A dark convenience for the hip worshiper on-the-go. The vendors were in cahoots with temple bigs - or they would not have been there.
They were essentially selling salvation. Which is kinduva no-no already. But hawking salvation in the presence of the Savior?... they were fortunate He used a whip.
To both the temple authorities and the temple-goers, the act of sin-cleansing had devolved into a legally-correct but faithless schedule.
That has to be understood. Or you won't understand why Christ acted as He did.
Consider why He called them 'thieves'.
Again, not because of 'greedy' high prices or any such thing. Because they were selling snake oil - whatever the monetary value, it does not work as advertised.
Don't let any denomination nor day can keep you from Christ. He did not rent the veil to clear room for more of Legalism's tables.
Keep up the good research.
And pray you don't let dates become your doves.
By all means, attend your denomination's services on the day which convicts you.
Just don't imagine that day is what saves you.
The reason I included greed is that the high priest ordered that only Tyrian shekels would be accepted for the annual half-shekel Temple tax. They contained a higher percentage of silver, so the money changers exchanged unacceptable coins for these shekels. Of course, they extracted a profit, sometimes much more than the law allowed.
Shalom
“Just don’t imagine that day is what saves you.”
Never have I thought works or observing holy days would save me. Those things are just the fruits of salvation. Observing Sabbath is keeping the commandments, well one of them anyway.
Veils over hearts, you mean.
By all means, attend your denomination’s services on the day which convicts you.
It is about Changing the Sabbath to Sunday, it did not happen.
Veils over hearts, you mean.
The former leaders wanted to go by the letter of the law from God who they never believed in, they believed in the religion only because it was power.
The religious leaders of today do not believe in God either but they do believe in power so they Change the laws of God which give them power.
That is what I meant.
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/did-the-catholic-church-change-the-sabbath/
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/sabbath-or-sunday
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/seventh-day-adventism
Thanks for keeping a good discussion on the Sabbath. Like yourself, I was not always a Sabbath-keeper, until I studied history, and became more able to discern tradition from scripture. But since I have been keeping the Sabbath, I find I am double blessed and that it is my favorite day of the week. Most of my friends are Sunday keepers and because I live in a rural area, there are not a lot of church choices. I go to a little Sunday church, but for the fellowship. My Sabbath will always be Saturday. Did you know that the spanish language has no word for Saturday? They say Sabado (Sabbath).
Tradition!
2 Thessalonians 2:15.
May I suggest learning to count days as the Scriptures teach?
Today is day one
Tomorrow is day two
The day after tomorrow is the third day
The Scriptures are clear, Jesus rose on the first day of the week or the day known today as Sunday.
If Sunday was the third day, the Sabbath day or Saturday was the second day and the sixth day or Friday was the day he died for our sins.
If you still doubt this, Jewish boys must be circumcised on the 8th day according to the OT. if the boy is born on Friday, the 8th day is the following Friday. ( ask any Jewish rabbi ) When would the third day be?
I won’t begin this with admonition as you did. I will just ask you to reexamine your counting of days AND nights in light of Yeshua’s word. Then get back with me.
(Luke 11:29-32)
38Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
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