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1 posted on 12/07/2014 4:30:17 AM PST by wheat_grinder
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To: wheat_grinder
The same people who instituted Sunday as the day of worship picked the books in your New Testament canon, and rejected others. How do you deal with that? If Sunday worship is a corruption, your New Testament is a corruption as well. Nothing in the Old Testament authorizes the church to create new books of scripture. To be self-consistent, you should be Jewish.

Sunday worship was unchallenged in Christendom from before 100 AD (Ignatius of Antioch, who died in Rome as a martyr AD 110, commends his readers for "no longer Sabbathing") until Ellen Gould White. Where in the Scriptures do you see evidence for the Holy Spirit taking a 1700 year long nap, and letting the church of Christ sink into apostasy?

2 posted on 12/07/2014 4:42:39 AM PST by Campion
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It means the Sunday keeping protestant church’s follow the tradition of Sunday observance instead of the scripture in this matter.


3 posted on 12/07/2014 4:44:26 AM PST by the_daug
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To: wheat_grinder; Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
Unsourced material.

Catholic ping!

4 posted on 12/07/2014 4:48:56 AM PST by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: wheat_grinder
Reply from a Protestant......

"The New Testament makes it clear that the observance of a particular day was not imposed as a binding obligation. Romans 14:5-6 makes it clear that there was some freedom in the matter of special days. Colossians 2:16-17 commanded the church not to allow anyone to act as their judge in regard to sabbath days. And Galatians 4:9-10 warns against going back under the Law by insisting on the legal requirement of special days.

The records that remain in the New Testament show that the first day of the week soon became a day of worship. When Paul wanted to collect an offering from the church at Corinth, he asked them to gather the money on the "first day of the week" (1 Cor. 16:2). And when he wanted to meet with the believers at Troas, the gathering took place "on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread" (Acts 20:7).

In Revelation 1:10, the apostle John described himself as being "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day." Most writers have thought he was referring to Sunday, so that our use of "the Lord's Day" as a term for Sunday comes from this verse.

A person's decision concerning sabbath observance probably hinges on the question of how we view the entire Old Testament. If all of it is still binding on us, then so is the sabbath. If there are parts that are no longer binding because they were directed specifically to the Jewish nation, or because they were for ritual purposes, then the sabbath is open for discussion.

No matter what position a person takes, it is important to recognize that God has a claim to all of my time. When I give Him one day of the week, it reminds me that He owns all seven!

5 posted on 12/07/2014 4:51:08 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: wheat_grinder
There is much work on scriptures in their original languages (where that is available) since many translations made assumptions either through poor knowledge of the language and/or the culture. Thus studies of the “matrix” of Biblical times has much to offer. Some of those assumptions have become accepted as part of our Faith and often have a meaning quite different than what was originally written.
10 posted on 12/07/2014 5:12:43 AM PST by Roses0508
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To: wheat_grinder

Acts 20:7 — note he spoke past mid-night. They took communion afterwards and then fellowshipped until morning.

I Corinthians 16:1-2 — “Upon the first day of the week...”

Revelation 1:10 — “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day...”

Some commentaries associate the Roman day with Acts 20:7, saying the day changed at 6:00 p.m. instead of our day change at midnight.


15 posted on 12/07/2014 5:40:03 AM PST by jennings2004 ("What difference, at this point, does it make!"--GO Landreiu, Hillary is your winning ticket!)
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To: wheat_grinder

I suspect God is more interested in whether or not we truly seek Him, and is less interested in which days our sanctification of Him is ramped-up rather than actually realized.


19 posted on 12/07/2014 5:57:00 AM PST by onedoug
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To: wheat_grinder

In the Acts of the Apostles, observance of the Old Covenant sabbath was not one of the requirements enjoined on gentile Christians by the Council of Jerusalem with the words “It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us...”

The first day of the week (Sunday in English, but called Kyriake — the Lord’s Day — in Greek) is the commemoration of Our Lord’s Resurrection, to which the Synaxarion for Pascha informs us the Holy Apostles transferred the dignity of the sabbath. Of course, the last day of the week is still called Sabbaton in Greek, and like Sunday is a day when the Divine Liturgy may be served in the midst of Great Lent, when otherwise the Liturgy is not served, and also like Sunday has fasting lightened with a katalysis (for oil and wine, or for fish, oil and wine, depending on the fast) so the Old Covenant sabbath persists in a lighter form along with the observance of Sunday as the Lord’s Day, at least in the Christian East.


34 posted on 12/07/2014 7:09:31 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: wheat_grinder

Source please.


35 posted on 12/07/2014 7:09:41 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wheat_grinder

I believe 92 = the # of angels that can fit on the head of a pin.


42 posted on 12/07/2014 7:24:45 AM PST by Repulican Donkey
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To: wheat_grinder

The Sabbath Day is Saturday, without question.


44 posted on 12/07/2014 7:50:34 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: wheat_grinder

It means no matter how much Protestants “protest” against Rome they’re still bound hip to hip with lawlessness concerning the 4th commandment.


46 posted on 12/07/2014 7:56:18 AM PST by DouglasKC
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He's 100% right. And historical chrstianity did the exact same thing to the rest of true Biblical religion that it did to Shabbat--eviscerated it and replaced it with something post-Biblical.

People who disagree with the good Cardinal should either become Catholic/Orthodox or else get out of chrstianity altogether and become Jews or Noachides. I recommend the latter.

50 posted on 12/07/2014 8:19:43 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: wheat_grinder; Campion; the_daug; NYer

What do I make of this: Someone wanting to raise a ruckus about something just to raise a ruckus.

Christians began holding services on the first day of the week (Sunday) because of that is the day that Jesus, their and for me, my Saviour, arose from the dead as he had said. And I remember being taught that in Sunday School as a child 60+ years ago.

Thus time to turn the heat off under the “tempest teapot” on this one.


62 posted on 12/07/2014 11:00:25 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: wheat_grinder

Are there not references to every day being holy?


67 posted on 12/07/2014 1:11:09 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: wheat_grinder

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/did-the-catholic-church-change-the-sabbath/

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/sabbath-or-sunday

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/seventh-day-adventism


75 posted on 12/07/2014 3:09:14 PM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: wheat_grinder

How do you know that Saturday these days is the same Saturday following creation? Calendar errors could have resulted in that day now being called Tuesday. And we’d all go to hell. Or Cleveland.


122 posted on 12/13/2014 12:19:00 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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