Posted on 01/16/2015 8:03:35 AM PST by Salvation
John 3:13 “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
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Paul got it right in 1Corinthians 15:
[20] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[21] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
[22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
My apologies for being too quick to respond.
I don’t know what your spiritual gifts are if you are saved.
I know you have an affinity for Greek and Hebrew studies associated with the Hebrew Roots movement, which I believe has some very strong cultic leanings, if not heretical.
The regenerated human spirit is a very real aspect of the Christian life.
It isn’t known to those who lack ever expressing faith alone in Christ alone, if even for an instant then lapsing back out of fellowship.
Those who rigorously study the Word out of fellowship are like those who might enter the vicinity of the Holy Place and eat of the 12 loaves on the table, but consume them without having bathed in the bronze laver nor by the light of the golden candlestick. Instead of sanctifying their soul, they scar their souls in academics, instead of education.
The believer today is saved, sealed, and fights the supernatural spiritual fight through faith in Christ. We are indwelt by all three members of the Godhead and are invisible warriors in His glory.
While not all details are laid out in Scripture, adequate information is provided for all of us to walk the walk and perform His Works which He has planned from eternity past.
I agree with the passage in John where no man has ascended to heaven as the abode of God the Father, but we still fight wherever He chooses through faith in Christ.
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Did you really mean to say that?
How can it be cultic or heretical to dig in to what the word of God really says, instead of the totally man made ‘theology’ that prevails in our churches?
The word of God is not hard to understand if one really wishes to understand it.
The first step is to take clear warnings at face value.
Yeshua had no desire to obscure the truth from those that would read it after his Crucifixion.
He did speak in parables when speaking to the Pharisees, because he knew that they were the children of the adversary, and could have interfered in his very necessary death if they understood what the plan was, but he issued such broad and deep rejection of all that they stood for, that we that came after his blood was shed need not be confused by those parables.
In spite of the confused message of the churchians, the word is clear that all of his disciples, past, present and future are to embrace his Torah as his plan for living a proper life in this world.
That is what he said every time he was asked, and it is what his apostles taught to their sheep continually. It is in every epistle in plain words, even though the churches mostly teach the lie that it has been done away with. They build a false New Testament that teaches that it was Torah, rather than the Pharisees’ false torah that was hung on the cross.
Here it is from Psalms to the Revelation:
The word of God that never gets read by the Easy Believers:
Psalms 119:
[165] Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
[166] LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments.
[167] My soul hath kept thy testimonies; and I love them exceedingly.
[171] My lips shall utter praise, when thou hast taught me thy statutes.
[172] My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
[176] I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.
Proverbs 3:1
[1] My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
Proverbs 4:4
[4] He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live
Proverbs 7:
[1] My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.
[2] Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.
[3] Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.
Proverbs 10:8
The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall
Ecclesiastes 12:
[13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
[14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Isaiah 48:18
[18] O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
Daniel 9:4
[4] And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
Amos 2:4
[4] Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Judah, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have despised the law of the LORD, and have not kept his commandments, and their lies caused them to err, after the which their fathers have walked:
Matthew 5:
[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mark 7:
[6] He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
[7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctines the commandments of men.
[8] For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
[9] And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
John 14:15
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 15:
[9] As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
[10] If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Corinthians 7:19
[19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Corinthians 11:
[1] Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
[2] Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
1Corinthians 14;37
[37] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1John 2:
[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
1John 3:
[22] And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
[23] And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
[24] And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
2John 1:
[5] And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
[6] And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Revelation 12:17
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12
[12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:14-15
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
I think that you are referring to Deuteronomy 29:29 -
“The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.
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