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Is the Angel of the Lord the Pre-Incarnate Christ?
Taylormarshall.com ^ | January 22, 2015 | Dr Taylor Marshall

Posted on 01/25/2015 1:52:55 PM PST by NYer

The Church Fathers held an unwavering belief that the Second Person of the Trinity appeared frequently in the Old Testament in a variety of forms: the Angel of the Lord, the Burning Bush, the Son of Man, and the one like a Son of God in Daniel.

burning bush as christ

Today we’ll look at a debate regarding the Angel of the Lord. Is he are isn’t the Pre-Incarnate Son of God? There are various positions in early Christianity.

The Greek Church Fathers (for example, Saint Athanasius) are convinced that “the Angel of the Lord” is the pre-incarnate Christ. They posit that the Angel of the Lord is categorically different from lower angelic beings (as in the Epistle to the Hebrews) and use this distinction to refute Arian heretics that deny the deity of Christ.

We find the identity of the Angel of the Lord with the Pre-Incarnate Christ also in the early Latin Fathers, such as Saint Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Saint Hilary of Poitiers, and Ambrose.

Part of the problem is linguistic. In Hebrew, the word for angel isמלאך or “malak” and all it means is “messenger.” In Greek, the word ἄγγελος or “angelos” also means “messenger.” So the Angel of the Lord is the “Messenger of the Lord” and is God Himself.

Angel of the Lord in Latin

In Latin, the word is translated from Greek as “angelus” or angel or angelic being. In Greek, it’s not a problem. But in the Latin West there was a worry that identifying Christ as “the Angel of the Lord” would lead to Arianism since “angel” in Latin implies a lower created being. (By the way, Jehovah’s Witnesses make this very mistake!)

So we see by the time of Saint Augustine, the Latin Church is reading “Angel of the Lord” as merely a chief angelic being or generic theophany of God, and not as the Pre-Incarnate Christ.

Saint Ambrose believed the Angel of the Lord was the Pre-Incarnate Christ. Saint Augustine did not.

This is a shame. In my opinion, this interpretive shift with Augustine was a bad theological move.

Augustine does, however, grant that sometimes “Angel of the Lord” is a reference to the pre-Incarante Christ, such as at Isaiah 9:6 in the Septuagint, where Christ is called “Prince of Peace” and “Angel of Great Counsel” or μεγάλης βουλῆς ἄγγελος.

The Angel of the Lord as God

We can see in the opening books of the Bible that the “Angel/Messenger of the Lord” is divine and speaks as God and is recognized as God:

According to Saint Athanasius and Saint Hilary of Poitiers, in all these cases we have the Logos or Second Person of the Trinity acting as the Divine Word or Message to the people of God. If Christ is the Word of the Father, then we might expect Him functioning in the Old Testament as the Message or Messenger of God.

Irenaeus of Lyons also identifies the Angel/Messenger of the Lord with God the Son in Exodus 3:8:

And again, when the Son speaks to Moses, He says, I have come down to deliver this people.” Against Heresies III, 6.

Saint Hilary of Poitiers writes:

To discriminate clearly between the Persons, He is called the Angel of God; He Who is God from God is also the Angel of God, but, that He may have the honour which is His due, He is entitled also Lord and God. On the Trinity IV

Theodoret of Cyrus writes:

The whole passage (Exodus 3) shows that it was God who appeared to Moses. But Moses called Him an “angel” in order to let us know that it was not God the Father whom he saw — for whose angel could the Father be? — but the Only-begotten Son, the Angel of Great Counsel.”

I’m currently re-reading the Pentateuch and making notes along the way as I come across “the Angel of the Lord” language. It’s quite fun and remarkable. It certainly gives a robust Trinitarian feel to the Old Testament, something the Greek Church loved to boast in.

Update: As brought up in the comments below: Saint Thomas Aquinas argues that the “Angel of Sacrifice” of the Roman Canon’s Supplices is Christ Himself (STh III q. 83, a. 4, ad 9).

For more references to the Angel/Messenger of the Lord as the Pre-Incarnate Christ see also:

Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 58, 59, 60, 61, 76, 86, 116, 126, 127, 128; IrenaeusAgainst Heresies, 3.6.1-5, Fragments, 53; Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 16, De Carne, 14, Against Marcion 2.27, 3.9; Novatian, On the Trinity, 18, 19, 31; Apostolic Constitutions, 5.3.20; Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor, 1.7; Eusebius, The Proof of the Gospel, 1.5, 4.10, 5.10, Church History, 1.2.7-8, Preparation for the Gospel, VII. 5, 14-15; Origen, Contra Celsus, 5.53, 8.27Methodious, Symposium, 3.4; Melito, New Fragments, 15; Ambrose, Exposition of the Christian Faith, 1.13.83; Athanasius, Against the Arians, 3.25.12-14; Gregory of Nyssa, Against Eunomius, 11.3.



TOPICS: Catholic; Judaism; Theology
KEYWORDS: angelofthelord; burningbush; oldtestament; sonofgodindaniel; theburningbush; thesonofman
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To: Jonty30
Michael the Arch-angel is not a created being, if He is the Christ.

From where would one arrive at that view?

21 posted on 01/25/2015 2:23:26 PM PST by fso301
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To: WXRGina

Why do you limit God?

Why do you limit Christ, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity?

Could not Christ have appeared as an angel?


22 posted on 01/25/2015 2:24:29 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I’m not limiting anyone, much less the Lord. He can do as He pleases. Our finite minds cannot fully grasp Him at this time. He speaks to us in ways we can understand. I take Him at his Word. When He describes a creature as an angel of the Lord, I believe Him, and I try NOT to OVER-THINK things unnecessarily. You can, you know.


23 posted on 01/25/2015 2:27:29 PM PST by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina

Ack, you’re right, however, Gen 16 with Hagar and the Angel of the Lord. That be God talking.


24 posted on 01/25/2015 2:28:53 PM PST by xone
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To: WXRGina

We cannot hope to fathom the mind of God, nor do we need to.


25 posted on 01/25/2015 2:29:32 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: WXRGina

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3250596/posts?page=25#25


26 posted on 01/25/2015 2:30:17 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dutchboy88

I’ve always been taught that the Lord of the Old Testament incarnated as Jesus in the New. Christ referred to Himself as “Before Abraham was, I am”. It’s in a few other places.


27 posted on 01/25/2015 2:31:03 PM PST by odawg
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To: NYer
Another pre-incarnational Christ is seen as wisdom of the Lord. In Proverbs we read:

The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his ways, before he made any thing from the beginning. I was set up from eternity, and of old before the earth was made. The depths were not as yet, and I was already conceived. neither had the fountains of waters as yet sprung out: The mountains with their huge bulk had not as yet been established: before the hills I was brought forth: He had not yet made the earth, nor the rivers, nor the poles of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was present: when with a certain law and compass he enclosed the depths: When he established the sky above, and poised the fountains of waters: When he compassed the sea with its bounds, and set a law to the waters that they should not pass their limits: when be balanced the foundations of the earth; I was with him forming all things: and was delighted every day, playing before him at all times; Playing in the world: and my delights were to be with the children of men. Now therefore, ye children, hear me: Blessed are they that keep my ways. Hear instruction and be wise, and refuse it not. Blessed is the man that heareth me, and that watcheth daily at my gates, and waiteth at the posts of my doors. He that shall find me, shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord: But he that shall sin against me, shall hurt his own soul. All that hate me love death. (Proverbs 8:22-36)

This, too, is a proper background for St. Paul:

…we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, a wisdom which is hidden, which God ordained before the world, unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew; for if they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of glory.  But, as it is written: That eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath it entered into the heart of man, what things God hath prepared for them that love him. (1 Corinthians 2:7-9)



Sophia Wisdom of God

28 posted on 01/25/2015 2:36:07 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: xone

An angel of the Lord, delivering the Word of the Lord. He’s still an angel of the Lord.

I’m out. Time for the Big Broadcast shortly! :-)


29 posted on 01/25/2015 2:50:52 PM PST by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina

One pastor I heard taught that when Jacob wrestled with God, it was actually Jesus, so we can debate all we want but generally people believe what makes them comfortable. Those things that require faith are generally uncomfortable. I was surprised at the way the word “God” is used in the OT from my concordance and I love my concordance. Gen 32 I guess I’ll look up Messenger but if someone from the State Department says something, isn’t it perceived as coming from the President (if there is one).


30 posted on 01/25/2015 2:52:26 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: WXRGina

Delivered His speech in the first person. Didn’t say “Thus saith the Lord God..”


31 posted on 01/25/2015 2:52:58 PM PST by xone
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To: huldah1776

I am in a weird mood. This gives new meaning to “don’t shoot the messenger.”


32 posted on 01/25/2015 2:53:30 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: xone

Okay, one more reply. The Bible says it’s an angel of the Lord. It’s an angel of the Lord. He delivered God’s message—as they do throughout the Bible, delivering His messages and carrying out His instructions, whatever they may be.
NOW, I’m out! :-)


33 posted on 01/25/2015 2:57:37 PM PST by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: NYer

Maybe, maybe not. It isn’t important, and not worth arguing over.


34 posted on 01/25/2015 2:59:17 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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To: WXRGina

“Before Abraham was, I AM.” Seems pretty clear to me!


35 posted on 01/25/2015 3:01:17 PM PST by erkelly
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To: NYer

I believe that the Angel of the Lord is God Himself.

When we bless ourselves we say ‘In the Name of the Father (Creator) and the of Son (Christ) and of the Holy Spirit (Angel of the Lord)’.
We only pray to one God.

Jesus said:
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me


36 posted on 01/25/2015 3:06:17 PM PST by RedMDer (I don't listen to Liars but when I do I know it's Barack Obama.)
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To: NYer

Who knows?


37 posted on 01/25/2015 3:08:21 PM PST by ravenwolf (s letters scripture.)
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To: NYer
Who was the captain of the army of the Lord that was talking with Joshua just prior to taking Jericho, the one who was holding a sword and and said to Joshua to take off his sandals for he was standing on holy ground; Joshua also fell down to his face and worshiped him.

I don't think we are supposed to worship angels, only God.

38 posted on 01/25/2015 3:09:18 PM PST by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: WXRGina
"The question is about the angel of the Lord. God calls him the angel of the Lord. That means he’s the angel of the Lord."

There is no question that sometimes God sent an angel to visit with humans. Sometimes, He appeared to them Himself, and called Himself the Angel of the Lord. I believe if you review the episode of the Angel of the LORD in Gen. 22, you will find this to be one of those situations. Notice:

"11 But the angel of the LORD called to him from heaven and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am." 12 He said, "Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me." 13 Then Abraham raised his eyes and looked, and behold, behind him a ram caught in the thicket by his horns; and Abraham went and took the ram and offered him up for a burnt offering in the place of his son. 14 Abraham called the name of that place The LORD Will Provide, as it is said to this day, "In the mount of the LORD it will be provided." 15 Then the angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, "By Myself I have sworn, declares the LORD, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand which is on the seashore ; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 "In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.""

39 posted on 01/25/2015 3:18:18 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: odawg
"I’ve always been taught that the Lord of the Old Testament incarnated as Jesus in the New. Christ referred to Himself as “Before Abraham was, I am”. It’s in a few other places."

Good point.

40 posted on 01/25/2015 3:19:13 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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