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Is the Angel of the Lord the Pre-Incarnate Christ?
Taylormarshall.com ^ | January 22, 2015 | Dr Taylor Marshall

Posted on 01/25/2015 1:52:55 PM PST by NYer

The Church Fathers held an unwavering belief that the Second Person of the Trinity appeared frequently in the Old Testament in a variety of forms: the Angel of the Lord, the Burning Bush, the Son of Man, and the one like a Son of God in Daniel.

burning bush as christ

Today we’ll look at a debate regarding the Angel of the Lord. Is he are isn’t the Pre-Incarnate Son of God? There are various positions in early Christianity.

The Greek Church Fathers (for example, Saint Athanasius) are convinced that “the Angel of the Lord” is the pre-incarnate Christ. They posit that the Angel of the Lord is categorically different from lower angelic beings (as in the Epistle to the Hebrews) and use this distinction to refute Arian heretics that deny the deity of Christ.

We find the identity of the Angel of the Lord with the Pre-Incarnate Christ also in the early Latin Fathers, such as Saint Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Saint Hilary of Poitiers, and Ambrose.

Part of the problem is linguistic. In Hebrew, the word for angel isמלאך or “malak” and all it means is “messenger.” In Greek, the word ἄγγελος or “angelos” also means “messenger.” So the Angel of the Lord is the “Messenger of the Lord” and is God Himself.

Angel of the Lord in Latin

In Latin, the word is translated from Greek as “angelus” or angel or angelic being. In Greek, it’s not a problem. But in the Latin West there was a worry that identifying Christ as “the Angel of the Lord” would lead to Arianism since “angel” in Latin implies a lower created being. (By the way, Jehovah’s Witnesses make this very mistake!)

So we see by the time of Saint Augustine, the Latin Church is reading “Angel of the Lord” as merely a chief angelic being or generic theophany of God, and not as the Pre-Incarnate Christ.

Saint Ambrose believed the Angel of the Lord was the Pre-Incarnate Christ. Saint Augustine did not.

This is a shame. In my opinion, this interpretive shift with Augustine was a bad theological move.

Augustine does, however, grant that sometimes “Angel of the Lord” is a reference to the pre-Incarante Christ, such as at Isaiah 9:6 in the Septuagint, where Christ is called “Prince of Peace” and “Angel of Great Counsel” or μεγάλης βουλῆς ἄγγελος.

The Angel of the Lord as God

We can see in the opening books of the Bible that the “Angel/Messenger of the Lord” is divine and speaks as God and is recognized as God:

According to Saint Athanasius and Saint Hilary of Poitiers, in all these cases we have the Logos or Second Person of the Trinity acting as the Divine Word or Message to the people of God. If Christ is the Word of the Father, then we might expect Him functioning in the Old Testament as the Message or Messenger of God.

Irenaeus of Lyons also identifies the Angel/Messenger of the Lord with God the Son in Exodus 3:8:

And again, when the Son speaks to Moses, He says, I have come down to deliver this people.” Against Heresies III, 6.

Saint Hilary of Poitiers writes:

To discriminate clearly between the Persons, He is called the Angel of God; He Who is God from God is also the Angel of God, but, that He may have the honour which is His due, He is entitled also Lord and God. On the Trinity IV

Theodoret of Cyrus writes:

The whole passage (Exodus 3) shows that it was God who appeared to Moses. But Moses called Him an “angel” in order to let us know that it was not God the Father whom he saw — for whose angel could the Father be? — but the Only-begotten Son, the Angel of Great Counsel.”

I’m currently re-reading the Pentateuch and making notes along the way as I come across “the Angel of the Lord” language. It’s quite fun and remarkable. It certainly gives a robust Trinitarian feel to the Old Testament, something the Greek Church loved to boast in.

Update: As brought up in the comments below: Saint Thomas Aquinas argues that the “Angel of Sacrifice” of the Roman Canon’s Supplices is Christ Himself (STh III q. 83, a. 4, ad 9).

For more references to the Angel/Messenger of the Lord as the Pre-Incarnate Christ see also:

Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 58, 59, 60, 61, 76, 86, 116, 126, 127, 128; IrenaeusAgainst Heresies, 3.6.1-5, Fragments, 53; Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 16, De Carne, 14, Against Marcion 2.27, 3.9; Novatian, On the Trinity, 18, 19, 31; Apostolic Constitutions, 5.3.20; Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor, 1.7; Eusebius, The Proof of the Gospel, 1.5, 4.10, 5.10, Church History, 1.2.7-8, Preparation for the Gospel, VII. 5, 14-15; Origen, Contra Celsus, 5.53, 8.27Methodious, Symposium, 3.4; Melito, New Fragments, 15; Ambrose, Exposition of the Christian Faith, 1.13.83; Athanasius, Against the Arians, 3.25.12-14; Gregory of Nyssa, Against Eunomius, 11.3.



TOPICS: Catholic; Judaism; Theology
KEYWORDS: angelofthelord; burningbush; oldtestament; sonofgodindaniel; theburningbush; thesonofman
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To: Bigtigermike
there is “A Angle’ that’s different from the average angle in certain situations

These are angles.


81 posted on 01/27/2015 6:38:43 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: NYer
If that were true, then the Holy Spirit would lead all christians to the same understanding. Can there be more than one interpretation of the Bible? No. The word "truth" is used several times in the New Testament. However, the plural version of the word "truth" never appears in Scripture. Therefore, there can only be one Truth. So how can there be over 20,000 non-Catholic Christian denominations all claiming to have the "Truth"

The problem with Catholics posting scripture for proof texts of their doctrines is that they are almost always wrong...The scriptures correct your false claims every time...

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

As you can see there is a lotta truth and it won't be hidden by any private Catholic interpretation...

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus is telling is that he is the way to all truth...There's certainly nothing complicated about that...

For you to suggest there are 20,000 different Protestant interpretations of the scriptures is something only a brainwashed Catholic could come up with, and believe...

82 posted on 01/27/2015 7:43:10 AM PST by Iscool
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To: WXRGina
And the bottom line, as I noted earlier on this thread, this is a pointless debate. We WILL NOT KNOW the full meaning of everything until after the Lord returns. Wasting time arguing semantics or silly what-ifs of things we cannot know at this time is just that: a waste of time.

Some of us don't think it is a silly waste of time; and yet you who does think it's a silly waste of time, are here

For those of us who do believe the angel of the Lord was the pre-incarnate Jesus, we get more insights into how the Lord reacted to and dealt with his chosen people and the coming kingdom of David...

83 posted on 01/27/2015 7:50:38 AM PST by Iscool
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To: humblegunner
there is “A Angle’ that’s different from the average angle in certain situations

Then that's a true statement...We're getting a little math instruction along with bible...

84 posted on 01/27/2015 7:52:14 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool
Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

To whom was our Lord addressing this message? His Apostles!!! The very ones who set out to bring the good news and were martyred in the process. IOW, the Catholic Church!

85 posted on 01/27/2015 3:11:34 PM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer; Iscool
>>To whom was our Lord addressing this message? His Apostles!!!<<

Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

86 posted on 01/27/2015 3:21:38 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: NYer
Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

To whom was our Lord addressing this message? His Apostles!!! The very ones who set out to bring the good news and were martyred in the process. IOW, the Catholic Church!

What did you do, change your hat??? The conversation put out by you is that there is only one truth...I proved by scripture that there are many truths...Instead of acknowledging that, you switched tracks...Now you are off into another direction...

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

This is John speaking to the children (church)...

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

When the Holy Spirit showed up, he did not take a seat next to your pope...He took up residence in each and every born again Christian...

Rom_8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

We have the Comforter inside of us leading us thru the scriptures whenever we desire it...And that option is available to all Catholics as well...

87 posted on 01/27/2015 6:49:02 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

Amen!


88 posted on 01/27/2015 6:54:50 PM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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