Posted on 03/07/2015 12:04:48 PM PST by Colofornian
Unless they die while you hold off.
May a pox be upon all who don’t give the babies baptism.
AMDG
Did you know ALL of the early church fathers -- except perhaps Tertullian who had a little heartburn with it -- embraced infant baptism?
Did you know that "credobaptism" is a relatively late development in Christian theology...?
Now, tell me:
Does a person's "intellect" accomplish any of these things?
Yes.
1 John 1:9
One has to make rational choices.
I have to tell you that your position puts you in the dark, FRiend. You might want to look over a previous article with the title:
"The Baptism and The Filling: The Baptism in the Spirit and The Filling" which was posted earlier today. In it you'll find a discussion of Acts 2:38, the interpretation of which you have wrong, grammatically and doctrinally. That may help you, as will the chart at the beginning.
Ta da!
Within the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) —
Disciples practice baptism by immersion, but also honor other baptism traditions from other denominations. The use of the specific form of baptism; that is, baptism by immersion is seen as powerfully symbolic. As such, it mirrors Jesus’ own baptism; it acts out dying with Christ, and emerging to new life; it is a “putting on” of Christ.
“Disciples of Christ” churches do not practice infant baptism. Rather, infant dedication is practiced and cherished as a time honored tradition among Disciples. An infant so dedicated confirms that dedication with a personal faith response usually during the early teenage years, about the same time when most Disciples are baptized.
Wrong. The apostles baptised WHOLE FAMILIES.
(Well, of course, if you're talking to parents you would emphasize repentance coupled with baptism!)
What's interesting is that the citers of Acts 2:38 don't really like to follow up with v. 39:
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
And...what's interesting with Acts 2:38 is how being baptized is so closely tied with the forgiveness of sins.
Only God can forgive sins. Only God is the true ACTOR in, with, and thru baptism.
I forgot to add my thanks to you for posting this article. Pastor Bucher makes the case for infant baptism quite clear and understandable.
It's simply that our reason isn't "Lord."
Actually the author of this thread's article brings this out well...when he closes the article with this comment:
So in a sense, the teaching of infant baptism reveals who your Lord is. Lord Jesus Christ has commanded us to baptize all nations, has declared that everyone who dies without faith is damned, and has taught us that infants can believe by God's grace working through baptism. Lord Reason says, "I don't understand how a baby can believe, therefore I reject infant baptism. It makes more sense to me to do it my way." Which Lord will you obey? Will you obey Christ and baptize "all nations," including infants, even though you don't understand it? Or will you obey Reason and reject infant baptism because you don't understand how babies can believe? Which Lord will you obey?
I’m not a Protestant and I’m not a Romanist. I am a follower of Jesus The Anointed One, and of His Word. No one has anything better to give their allegiance to.
Just because “Everyone is doing it.”, it doesn’t make it right per scripture. You can turn blue in the face, foam at the mouth, who cares what...and it is not going to change the truth.
Even in the religious world, “It’s not so much what you don’t know that will get you in trouble, it’s what you know that ain’t so!”
If I wanted to be a high level official in a cult of "wealth only for the top guys in this religion group", I'd embrace it too.
“I’m not a Protestant”
Actually, you are.
Why stop at infants is your question to which I answer Why not? It is a judgment call as to when a person reaches accountability. No where in scripture(God’s real commands)does God and Christ state “Thou must baptize infants.â€)Baptism is necessary for salvation(but not sufficient). If necessary to baptize children Christ would have said so. Will Christ throw a two year old unbaptized infant into the fires of hell? Please answer the question not engaging in the usual avoidance of the unpleasant implications of your position. Babies roasting in the fires of Hell! More babies have died unbaptized than those ever baptized. Even the Papacy could not stomach that picture and created a non scriptural “Purgatory†to avoid the unpleasant consequences of their heinous doctrines.
Repent and be baptized every one of you for the forgiveness of your sins...but of course such a clear statement obviously means something else...
If you’re talking to adults, there could be no other message. Right?
Believe whatever you want to tell yourself.
“Believe whatever you want to tell yourself.”
It has nothing to do with what I want or what I tell myself. Facts are facts no matter what anyone believes.
And as the Bible does not tell us to celebrate Christmas or Easter, we shouldn’t do those things either.
My position, and that of Scripture, is mot untenable, nor is it unpleasant to the spiritual person. Here's where the doctrine of imputation comes in.
Romans 5:13 tells us that ". . . sin is not imputed when there is no law."
The newborn baby (brephos) has no knowledge of the law, nor accountably to it. Therefore no sin is imputed to it. Dying then or shortly thereafter, with no sin is imputed, what is to hinder him/her from heaven? In fact, one might take it back to the preborn child who through umhappy miscarriage or deliberate rejection the child is murdered aforetime, why, sin not being imputed, would this little soul not go directly to be with the Lord? What is your problem with this?
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