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It appears that anybody positively connected with VC II is being canonized at a record pace under Francis' watch.
1 posted on 04/12/2015 4:50:12 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Oh, dear. Bugnini did not succeed in destroying the Church by twisting Vatican II, but he certainly tried as hard as he could.

I guess this is about what you can expect from Walter Kasper, who seems to be the worst troublemaker and heretic at the present time.


2 posted on 04/12/2015 5:03:18 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ebb tide

Allium Cepa news network. It’s Latin, people.


3 posted on 04/12/2015 5:04:59 PM PDT by Romulus
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Another false doctrine based on a false premise that includes the veneration of angels.

From newadvent.org

There is Scriptural warrant for such worship in the passages where we are bidden to venerate angels (Exodus 23:20 sqq.; Joshua 5:13 sqq.; Daniel 8:15 sqq.; 10:4 sqq.; Luke 2:9 sqq.; Acts 12:7 sqq.; Revelation 5:11 sqq.; 7:1 sqq.; Matthew 18:10; etc.),

Not one of these passages tells us we are to venerate angels. Not one.

We do have passages though where angels do tell us not to worship them.

Rev 22:8-9 NASB

And I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. And he said to me, "Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book; worship God."

The angel understand that bowing down/falling at the feet of the angel was worshipping him and he quickly corrected John's error.

whom holy men are not unlike, as sharers of the friendship of God. And if St. Paul beseeches the brethren (Romans 15:30; 2 Corinthians 1:11; Colossians 4:3; Ephesians 6:18-19) to help him by their prayers for him to God, we must with even greater reason maintain that we can be helped by the prayers of the saints, and ask their intercession with humility. If we may beseech those who still live on earth, why not those who live in heaven?

This is a supposition based on human reason based on a false assumption as noted above.

All of the examples noted were Paul asking real people to pray...people here on earth. Our departed loved ones cannot hear us. We have no injunction or example in the New Testament to pray to our departed loved ones.

6 posted on 04/12/2015 6:57:24 PM PDT by ealgeone
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Yes, they are trying everything they possibly can to convince all Catholics and the world that Vatican II was the best thing that ever happened to the Church and that this NewChurch is where it’s at, not that OldStuffyRigidTraditionalChurch.

Unfortunately most Catholics have bought into it. Only God can fix this mess and I’m guessing it won’t be pretty.


11 posted on 04/13/2015 2:55:37 AM PDT by piusv
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In his summary of these virtues, Cardinal Kasper reportedly hails this nomination as the “next logical step” after the beatification of Paul VI

He's actually correct....if we're talking canonizations for the NewChurch.

12 posted on 04/13/2015 2:58:01 AM PDT by piusv
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The cause of BUGNINI!? Oh this is just too much.


13 posted on 04/13/2015 3:56:36 AM PDT by Legatus (I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
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