Posted on 05/08/2015 12:20:41 AM PDT by walkinginthedesert
What is Hell?
I think that the best way to start this article is by explaining what hell means and furthermore on the four main and particular places that we usually mean when referring to hell. Upon doing this I will explain where in hell Christ really descended to.
First and foremost hell in the strictest sense of the word is the absence and separation of the Beatific vision being separated from the vision of God, this is the chief punishment of hell which is known as the pain of loss. This pain of loss means that those in a state of hell are separated from God and do not have possession of the Beatific vision. In other words they do not see God for who he is (The Trinity).
Different Abodes of Hell
There are four main places that can be said to be hell as the various Catechisms and Church documents of the Church often point to. Thus we will consider what these four specific places are that constitute hell, and we will describe where specifically it is in hell that Christ descended to.
Now that we know the reality that Christ descended into hell and that he specifically descended into the part of hell known as Sheol, we will look at the fact that Christ descended specifically into the Limbo of the Fathers The place where the just who had died in a state of grace and who waited with a hope in the coming of the Lord were. We will furthermore see why Christ descended into hell.
When Adam and Eve committed the original sin of man by eating of the forbidden fruit and thus giving in to pride, they closed of Heaven because of the stains of that original sin. In the book of Genesis we obviously see the reality that death is a consequence of original sin. In both Genesis chapter 2 and Chapter 3 this is clearly shown. God tells Adam in Genesis 2:16-17 And he commanded him, saying: Of every tree of paradise thou shalt eat: But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. For in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death. Similarly in Genesis 3:19 God tells Adam a consequence of his sin In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou was taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return.
Not only did Adam and Even die a temporal death but they also closed of Heaven from themselves. This is why Saint Anselm states that Christ needed to become man and be crucified. He needed to make Divine restitution for the sins of man. St. Anselm states in contemplation of the guilt of sin that sin, as an insult offended God infinitely, and therefore demands an infinite expiation. Such expiation, however, can be achieved by a Divine Person only. To be capable of thus representing mankind, this person must be, at the same time, man and God.
For as a result of Adams sin, Heaven was closed against men. Even those already purified from sin could not enjoy the direct sign of God until our Redemption had been completed by Christs visible Ascension into Heaven. The just who lived under the Old Law (Old Testament) and were made pure either at death, or after a time in Purgatory, and had attained the perfect holiness required for entrance into glory, had to wait for the coming of God-made-Man and the full accomplishing of His visible mission1
It is thus the just and holy who died in the state of grace in the Old Testament whom Christ went to deliver when he we say he descended into Hell. This is a very important distinction to be made for several reasons. There are various grave and erroneous interpretations and ideas being held by several theologians and individuals that Christ also went to liberate the damned in Gehenna as well. This is completely false since this implies that hell is not eternal which is obviously theologically wrong and false.
Sheol and the Limbo of the Fathers in Scripture
There are several passages in Scripture that both explicitly and implicitly show the reality of the Limbo of the Fathers and Sheol during the Old Law. We already covered that death is a natural consequence due to original sin. Furthermore we covered that because of original sin Heaven was closed off to men until that Divine Restitution and atonement which Saint Anselm talked about was completed.
There are however other places in scripture which also describe the existence of Sheol and the Limbo of the Fathers which existed in the Old Law. The first place to start is right in Ephesians 4:9 when Saint Paul describes that before Christ arose from the dead he had to descend to the lower parts of the earth Now that he ascended, what is it, but because he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? (Eph 4:9)
Saint Peter puts it even more clearly when he talks about the fact that Christ descended in order to preach to the souls in prison Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit, In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison. (1 Pet 3:18-19) It is specifically the prison of Sheol and the Limbo of the Fathers which Saint Peter is describing.
Did Christ suffer when he descended into Hell?
In finishing this article I will explain why it is not true that Christ suffered pain when he descended into hell. Just as Christ clearly did not descend into the hell of the damned (Gehenna) he also did not suffer pains in hell for various reasons.
We should keep in mind that Christ in descending into hell did not suffer pains such as what is known as the pain of Loss (Separation from God and the loss of the Beatific vision). For how can Christ who is God be separated from himself? Is not the Holy trinity united with each other?
This is a very good commentary by Saint Thomas Aquinas
In truth, on the part of the soul it follows among men from sin after death that they descend into hell not only as regards place, but also as regards punishment. But just as the body of Christ was indeed under the earth according to place, but not according to the common defect of dissolution, so also the soul of Christ descended indeed into hell according to place, not however in order to undergo punishment there, but rather to release from punishment those who were detained there on account of the sin of the first parent, for which he had already fully satisfied by suffering death: whence after his death nothing remained to be suffered, but he descended into hell locally without suffering any punishment, that he might show himself as the liberator of the living and the dead. From this also it is said that he alone was free among the dead, because his soul was not subject to punishment in hell, nor his body to corruption in the tomb. [Aquinas, Compendium theologiae I, cap. 235]2
This passage clearly shows that although Christ descended into hell, he did so only according to place. In other words Christ was only in hell by his mere presence and glory however without punishment.
Here is another passage by Saint Thomas Aquinas
In assuming a human nature therefore Christ willed to take upon himself certain defects according to a twofold criterion: they should be those which were common to all men on account of sin, yet did not imply or even incline towards any defect of grace or virtue. That a soul should descend into hell after death, before Christs coming, common to all men on account of original sin, and so Christ also endured this, descending locally into hell. [Aquinas, In III Sententiarum, d. 22, q. 2, a. 1a]3
Thomas then considers each possible kind of punishment (poena) and concludes that Christ cannot have suffered any of them in hell. The pain of loss (poena damni) which is the lack of the vision of God would clearly imply a defect of the consummate grace of glory, and hence is excluded. The pain of sense (poena sensus) could be either satisfactory (poean satisfactoria,) purgative (poean purgativan,) or damnative (poeana damnativa).4Christ could not have had any of these pains mentioned above for various reasons. Pains cannot be satisfactory after death because satisfactory prayers are used only for gaining merit and making up for past sins. Those who are already dead cannot possibly gain merit and satisfaction such as the Holy Souls in purgatory cant merit for themselves. Similarly purgative pains are only given to those who have imperfections and stains of sin. (Once again such as the souls in purgatory). Christ being God is for that very reason perfect and does not need to be purged of anything since he has no imperfections. Lastly damnative pains are given on account of the damned in hell because of mortal sins and a defection in grace. Christ had absolutely no sin, and definitely not mortal sin, so for that reason Christ could not possibly have damnative pains (punishments) either.
Notes:
1)Ripley, Francis J. This Is the Faith. Rockford, IL: Tan, 2002. 406. 2)Saint Thomas Aquinas, Compendium theologiae I, cap. 235 3)Aquinas, In III Sententiarum, d. 22, q. 2, a. 1a 4)Christ's Descent into Hell
That's a little problematic. People existed all over the world for centuries after the crucifixion and resurrection without any knowledge Christ existed. According to this, they're damned for no other reason than geography and ignorance.
So man, from his temporal perspective, might reason.
They carried the sin of Adam.
You guys are well versed in the word your thoughts?
And Shepherds we shall be For thee, my Lord, for thee. Power hath descended forth from Thy hand Our feet may swiftly carry out Thy commands. So we shall flow a river forth to Thee And teeming with souls shall it ever be.
In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti.
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>>the fires of purgatory where there are the souls of just men who are being cleansed from all stains of sin both for venial and unatoned Mortal sin.<<
ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. The Church teaches that Purgatory is a temporary cleansing place. Here the soul is purified of VENIAL sin before entering Heaven. A soul with unatoned MORTAL sin is condemned.
True but through no fault of their own they never had the opportunity of knowing the path to salvation. So according to this text billions of people who existed across the centuries are now damned due to geographical location and bad timing.
I don't agree with this statement...It totally minimizes the idea of hell where it won't be an unpleasant place to go...
I have a far more simplistic view of hell than the author of this article writes...
There are two compartments in hell as can be seen in the story of the rich man and Lazarus...Abraham's Bosom, also called Paradise where the O.T. saints were gathered together and the place of torment...
Those in Abraham's Bosom could not ascend to heaven until Jesus descended from heaven and went back up...That's why they were stuck there...Jesus has the keys to hell and death...
Jesus died...His spirit went to God, his flesh became, just dead...His soul went to Abraham's Bosom...Bible says Jesus preached to those in hell...At the conclusion, Jesus unlocked the gates of hell (Abraham's Bosom) so that the gates could not prevail against his up and coming church and the O.T. saints and Paradise was lifted to heaven...
There's a little more detail but that's the general jist of what I see in the scriptures...
That's exactly true; or you find the way to reconcile that with scripture...
The two actual scriptures used could be interpreted other ways.
The perfect God who chose to be an innocent human and allowed himself to be tortured to death on the cross was enough to justify sins.
The suffering and death on the cross was sufficient. End of story.
Actually the only verse in scripture that indicates Jesus went into "the lower regions of the earth" ( Ephesians 4:9) uses none of the words that have been rendered "hell". From that we can only surmise that He went to "Sheol/Hades" which only means the "abode of the dead". And we can understand there were two sections of that from the story of Abraham, Lazarus, and the rich man. No where in scripture does it indicate that Christ was in the section of the rich man.
My understanding is that hell, also called hades, is the waiting place for the dead.
There are two parts of it. Paradise also called Abraham’s Bosom, or Paradise (Lazarus and the thief on the cross).
The other part is the Ghenna part, the part with torment, (the rich man’s part).
When Jesus went into *hell* to preach to those who never heard, it doesn’t specify which part He was in. However, when He led those there out, it must have been the Paradise side, where the redeemed were, and He led them into heaven. So the Paradise side is now empty as those who die can go and pass through it to heaven.
Hell ISN’T the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire was prepared for the devil and his angels, and at the end of the book of Revelation, it says that death and hell were thrown into the Lake of Fire. So ultimately anyone who is currently in the torment side of hell, the unsaved, WILL end up in the Lake of Fire, but God never intended that man go there.
Mormans believe the Book of Mormon Jesus also took a quick lil’ jaunt over to The Americas just after dying on the cross, so he could kill a multitude of Nephites and Lamanites (3 Nephi 8-9).
So the the Book of Mormon Jesus slaughtered millions of people in America immediately after completing his great work of love salvation and rescue. Never mind that last, greatest, commandment to love stuff.
If you were conversing with the apostle Paul, how might he address your concern?
Romans 1:
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world Gods invisible qualitieshis eternal power and divine naturehave been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
So...Paul essentially says here that what was evident about God...His eternal power & a divine nature rising above the deified birds, animals & reptiles around them...was suppressed by people who refused to glorify & give Him thanks...choosing emptiness, darkness, false divine images, & Paul goes on to include deviant sexual practices like homosexuality.
Doesn't sound like neutrality toward God to me.
Sounds more like open idolatry, "wickedness" (as Paul puts it), etc.
Exactly...Catholics get a slight 'glimpse' of this place and call it purgatory but don't know enough scripture to figure out what it really is...They don't even know the gates are wide open...Even if it was purgatory, it couldn't hold anyone in...
So ultimately anyone who is currently in the torment side of hell, the unsaved, WILL end up in the Lake of Fire, but God never intended that man go there.
They will be pulled up out of hell to stand at the White Throne Judgment (where Catholics plan on being judged) to no avail since everyone at that judgment goes into the lake of fire...
Why, then, does Rev 20:12 say that the book of life is opened at that judgement, and the dead are judged according to the BOOKS (plural), both the book of life and the book of death?
The judgement of Rev 20 is exactly the same as the judgment of Matthew 25:31-46, and it's crystal clear that not everyone at that judgement is condemned.
Beware of following the false traditions of men.
Are you "in Christ Jesus" or not?
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