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To: Morgana
Last week I was writing about Magna Carta and how the Catholic Church’s role has been written out, in particular the part of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Stephen Langton. But the same could also be said about much of English history from 600AD to 1600....the whitewashing of English Catholic history is mainly seen in three areas: political liberty, economic prosperity and literacy, all of which are seen as being linked to Protestantism.

Speaking of whitewashing, the author conveniently left out one of Catholicism's more infamous contributions to English history:


In 1605, 13 young men planned to blow up the Houses of Parliament in what is now called "the Gunpowder Plot". The Gunpowder Plot came about after Queen Elizabeth I died in 1603. English Catholics, who had been persecuted under her rule, were bitterly disappointed when her successor, James I, who had a Catholic mother, failed to be more tolerant of their religion. Their leader Robert Catesby decided to blow up the Houses of Parliament, hoping to kill the King, the Prince of Wales, and the MPs who were making life difficult for Catholics. Among 13 young men was Guy Fawkes, Britain's most notorious traitor and Roman Catholic convert. He was arrested in Parliament's cellar with 36 barrels of gunpowder. Fawkes was tried, convicted, and executed for treason.

Even now, four hundred years later, the reigning monarch only enters the Parliament once a year for the State Opening of Parliament. And before the opening, according to custom, the Yeomen of the Guard searches the cellars of the Palace of Westminster.

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3 posted on 06/16/2015 8:54:08 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy; Morgana
The only "whitewashing of history" is that being performed by the author. Writing the Roman Church out is, in fact, the most charitable treatment possible.

In the real world, not only was the Roman Church opposed to Magna Carta, the supposed Bishops "behind" the charter didn't manage to arrive there until almost forty years after the charter was signed, and only then in response to receiving an agree for an enormous tax increase.

http://www.bl.uk/collection-items/the-papal-bull-annulling-magna-carta

At the link:

[Pope] Innocent III had already sent a string of letters to England berating the [Magna Carta] barons. Now he explained how, ‘by such violence and fear as might affect the most courageous of men’, they had forced John to accept an agreement ‘illegal, unjust, harmful to royal rights and shameful to the English people’. The Pope declared Magna Carta ‘null, and void of all validity for ever’, a judgement which reached England the following month.

Twenty five of the barons supporting it were excommunicated. The Bull [how appropriate] threatened excommunication to anyone who attempted to enforce the charter.

7 posted on 06/16/2015 9:20:23 AM PDT by FredZarguna (It's GLASHOW-Weinberg-Salam, dammit!)
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To: Alex Murphy
What Guy Fawkes failed to do, Oliver Cromwell the Protestant completed; King Charles I met the headsman's axe on 1/30/1649.

And subsequent English Protestant leaders would sweep away the entire Stuart dynasty when it became too Catholic for their taste. The last member of the Stuart male line, Henry Benedict, died in 1807 a Cardinal of the Catholic church -- in Rome, not in London, for he was an exile from the land of his forefathers.

9 posted on 06/16/2015 10:07:59 AM PDT by Campion
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