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To: SampleMan

Where does Christ tell us to forgive those who have done wrong, continue to do wrong, and are totally unrepentant in doing wrong? ————

I believe it was On The Cross. “Father forgive them.....”.

I know what you are saying absolutely. Jesus in his last agony exhibits for me that I would not wish to pass on with unforgiveness of anyone, on my soul. In every day life, however, I have heard exactly what you allude to here, that without repentance from the offender against me, there is not a path for outwardly forgiving them. I don’t know about that.

Also, I have learned about forgiveness that does not mean you have to entertain their incessant abuse for a moment, or hug them up as a loved one, no, but of the kind of forgiveness that simply wishes them no ill, does not condemn them to Hell, and can hope for their conversion toward me.

ISIS would be a different matter. We must despise their brutality as Jesus must have despised his torturers and crucifiers. He did not fight what He had already ordained in Heaven for our Salvation, but we are not held to that standard as many warriors and soldiers were faithful to Jesus.


22 posted on 07/20/2015 10:51:53 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: RitaOK

“I have heard exactly what you allude to here, that without repentance from the offender against me, there is not a path for outwardly forgiving them.”

Lack of repentance isn’t an impediment to forgiveness, because repentance is for the benefit of the person who has committed the wrong. If they don’t repent, they will just need to be forgiven again and again. However, if they refuse to repent, that doesn’t stop anyone from forgiving them.

Think of it as a debt, like some translations of the Lord’s prayer word it, “forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors”. The person who is owed can forgive a debt, whether the debtor comes to beg forgiveness or not. However, if the debtor doesn’t turn away from whatever incurred the debt in the first place, the forgiveness will be of little help to them, because they’ll just get into debt again.


32 posted on 07/20/2015 11:25:58 AM PDT by Boogieman
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