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The Left Wants To End the Separation of Church and State (Protestant Caucus)
The Federalist ^ | James Mann

Posted on 07/27/2015 6:04:37 AM PDT by Gamecock

If there is one thing consistent about the tides of the culture wars, it is that whenever one side is emboldened, it inevitably leads to overreach. The secular Left is proving this point with gusto in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision to nationalize gay marriage, calling for the removal of tax exemptions for churches and religious non-profits who continue to hold the tired old definition of marriage that existed all the way up until yesterday. This step, which would crush the budgets of many churches and non-profits, reveals an amusing hypocrisy of the modern Left’s turn against civil liberty: they no longer believe in the separation of church and state.

Writing at the website of Time magazine, New York Times columnist Mark Oppenheimer called for abolishing the tax exemptions for nonprofits and instead turning over those funds to government to spend in the interests of the community. “We’d have fewer church soup kitchens — but countries that truly care about poverty don’t rely on churches to run soup kitchens”, he rationalizes. Take that, Salvation Army.

Oppenheimer’s view takes the idea of “government as simply a word for the things we decide to do together” to an unsustainable extreme – suggesting that if we do not do things via government, they do not matter, or they are by their nature insufficiently caring. Frederic Bastiat had such views in mind when he decried the socialists of his time who “accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”

The separation of church and state, for so long touted by those on the secular left as a hedge against creeping theocracy, was intended to defend the church from the state. The purpose of the First Amendment is to protect faith from government, not the other way around. As James Madison wrote of “the excellence of a system which, by a due distinction, to which the genius and courage of [Martin] Luther led the way, between what is due to Caesar and what is due to God, best promotes the discharge of both obligations.”

The depiction of tax exemption of religious non-profits and churches as unfair is a bizarre view that would require assumption that all property naturally belongs to the state, and that allowing churches to keep the money they are given in donations is an act of largesse as opposed to a hedge against untoward influence of government. For Oppenheimer, giving to Caesar and to God is not enough – God must give to Caesar, too.

Oppenheimer may argue that ending tax exemptions would just treat religious institutions like everyone else, but that’s the problem: everyone else already knows exactly what that means. American households live in fear of the capricious malice of the Internal Revenue Service, which may more or less at will strip them of possessions and peace of mind with no appeal. It is the closest thing to the hard hand of tyranny the individual American will ever experience — certainly its ordinary exercise of power, seizing one-quarter to one-half of a family’s livelihood every year, exceeds anything George III ever dreamt of inflicting — and so we may only imagine the damage that would be wrought by the same gray and grim bureaucracy when unleashed beyond American homes to American civil-society institutions.

The truth is that the IRS has a long history of use as a political weapon. During the presidency of John F. Kennedy, his brother the attorney general saw to it, in a fit of petty pique, that his defeated rival Richard Nixon was audited every single year. Nixon in turn famously sought to use the IRS as a weapon against his own political enemies. And in the modern day, we have seen the power of the IRS and an array of federal bureaucracies engaged by the Obama administration to harass, suppress, deter, and dismay its own enemies.

Are we to believe this practice will not continue when faith is subjected to its possibilities? It would require a wholesale denial of the nature of man and power.

To believe that the IRS will be fair, just, and impartial with religious institutions that may oppose the policies of its controlling executive requires belief in several prior propositions: that the federal bureaucracy is by nature fair, just, and impartial; that the power of taxation tends toward an equitable effect; that power-holding elites in Washington DC, are primarily interested in the common good; that there is a pervasive and in aggregate overriding adherence to constitutional order in the federal workforce; that political appointees who helm federal agencies owe their first allegiance to the people; that malicious application of federal law and regulation is uncommon; that public servants in general are intelligent and principled stewards of a liberal society; that preservation of a liberal society is a primary goal of the federal apparatus. All these propositions are false.

The push for gay marriage always included a significant portion of people who simply wanted fairness, as they saw it. But this fairness is not enough for the secular Left, which has become more honest about their ultimate goal: the eradication of religion’s place at the center of American public life. They will in the coming months and years seek to use the full power of the IRS to achieve this goal. Those who believe in civil liberty must stand against them, or risk an America where there are no churches and no charities but those the state deems fit to exist – exactly the America the Founders sought to prevent.


TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; 501c3s; auditing; audits; exemptions; fear; freespeech; irs; luther; madison; markoppenheimer; nonprofits; oppenheimer; secularism; taxes; taxexemptions

1 posted on 07/27/2015 6:04:37 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
To believe that the IRS will be fair, just, and impartial with religious institutions that may oppose the policies of its controlling executive requires belief in several prior propositions: that the federal bureaucracy is by nature fair, just, and impartial; that the power of taxation tends toward an equitable effect; that power-holding elites in Washington DC, are primarily interested in the common good; that there is a pervasive and in aggregate overriding adherence to constitutional order in the federal workforce; that political appointees who helm federal agencies owe their first allegiance to the people; that malicious application of federal law and regulation is uncommon; that public servants in general are intelligent and principled stewards of a liberal society; that preservation of a liberal society is a primary goal of the federal apparatus. All these propositions are false.
2 posted on 07/27/2015 6:04:54 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists: "There is no God and I hate Him!")
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To: Gamecock

The left would have political contributions deductible, but not religious contributions. And, within the political sphere, they would differentially make it more difficult for political contributions to causes they disapprove of.

I got it.


3 posted on 07/27/2015 6:11:12 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Gamecock

In Europe the state financially “supported” the churches. They essentially were controlled, shackled and withered. Their dynamism and witness evaporated. This worked so well for the Left in Europe, it frustrates them that they can only use tax exemptions here to do the same.


4 posted on 07/27/2015 6:13:19 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Gamecock

I think its worse than that. The leftists want to ban orthodox Christianity (and orthodox Judiasm) but are fine with any of the other religions. Islam is celebrated in the public square. Liberal apostate churches that approve of all manners of depravity and evil are also welcome. Its just those pesky people who cling to what the Bible actually says and are 2000 years out of step with modern society.....


5 posted on 07/27/2015 6:14:31 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Gamecock

‘where there are no churches and no charities but those the state deems fit to exist ‘-
There was a place like that with fenced borders to keep the people IN.

’ Government is not reason, it is not eloquence — it is force’.- George Washington


6 posted on 07/27/2015 6:15:23 AM PDT by griswold3 (Just another unlicensed nonconformist in am dangerous Liberal world.)
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To: Gamecock

How exactly does undermining the 1st amendment with a tax exemption edify the Body of Christ?

Render to Caesar what is his and share The Word — all of it.


7 posted on 07/27/2015 6:31:44 AM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
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To: Gamecock

Something like that would require a Constitutional Amendment. Given how hard it is to pass a Constitutional Amendment, what the Left wants to do won’t happen anytime soon (not only has to pass through Congress, but 38 out of 50 state legislatures have to pass it, too). That’s why the proposed Equal Rights Amendment from many years ago didn’t come anywhere close to passing.


8 posted on 07/27/2015 6:41:40 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: allendale
In Europe the state financially “supported” the churches. They essentially were controlled, shackled and withered. Their dynamism and witness evaporated. This worked so well for the Left in Europe, it frustrates them that they can only use tax exemptions here to do the same.

2 Timothy 3:5 describes these churches perfectly: "having a form of godliness but denying its power." The state churches of Europe are basically empty facades.

9 posted on 07/27/2015 6:42:29 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: Gamecock
Writing at the website of Time magazine, New York Times columnist Mark Oppenheimer called for abolishing the tax exemptions for nonprofits and instead turning over those funds to government to spend in the interests of the community. “We’d have fewer church soup kitchens — but countries that truly care about poverty don’t rely on churches to run soup kitchens”, he rationalizes. Take that, Salvation Army.

There's nothing the government can't screw up once it gets its hands on it.

It's not the government's business to *take care of the poor*. That's a mandate from Jesus to believers.

10 posted on 07/27/2015 6:50:34 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Gamecock

Just got polled by a number identifying as “voter research” on my caller ID last night in FL - no requests for money- and the tax exemption for churches was what they asked about, then the planned parenthood bodyparts thing.

They also asked about the Iran deal.

All of the questions were asked after asking for my party affiliation, so I don’t know if the questions were different for libs or not.


11 posted on 07/27/2015 6:52:34 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: HLPhat

Much better for the state to recognize that what is God’s, is not for Caesar.

The state already taxed the money we give to the church before the church saw one dime of it. Taxing our church too, is like taxing us twice on the same earnings, like taxing us twice because we give our paycheck to our spouse.

We need to heed the libertarian fair tax ideas.


12 posted on 07/27/2015 7:00:22 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa

Mingling freedom of religious expression with the tax code was NEVER about edifying the Body of Christ.


13 posted on 07/27/2015 7:05:11 AM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
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To: Gamecock

Writing at the website of Time magazine, New York Times columnist Mark Oppenheimer called for abolishing the tax exemptions for nonprofits and instead turning over those funds to government to spend in the interests of the community.


What funds is he talking about? suppose donations dry up when the tax exemptions are done away with???? Maybe there would not be any funds for him to confiscate???


14 posted on 07/27/2015 7:17:49 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Gamecock
"This step, which would crush the budgets of many churches and non-profits....."

In that case, the truly "Christian" churches will adjust their budgets to make do. There is a lot of fluff that churches can do without:

In the end, all of this financial pressure may just lead to a healthier, true-to-mission church.
15 posted on 07/27/2015 7:24:44 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

Unfortunately, that is not what the left is looking for. They are seeking to if not eliminate, at least, maginalize the influence of Christianity in their world. Will you regard it as “truly Christian” when one must determine through an underground grapevine in whose living room services will be held since an open display of faith has been prohibited?


16 posted on 07/27/2015 7:49:56 AM PDT by JayVee (Joseph)
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To: piasa

I’ve decided not to answer any more phone polls.

They are not anonymous as they claim. When they dial a number, they can find out who the number belongs to, and voila, they know your party affiliation and political leanings.

Nice handy data base that they can collect with the voluntary assistance of the person they polled.


17 posted on 07/27/2015 8:11:04 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: JayVee
"Unfortunately, that is not what the left is looking for. "

Of course that is NOT what the left is looking for. I understand that they want to destroy Christianity.

However the Bible clearly tells us that the churches WILL be persecuted. And if that is to be, then we must make the best of it and persevere. All through history it is during times of greatest persecution that the "true" church grows the most.

18 posted on 07/27/2015 8:12:37 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

Agree. I also wonder how many people would quit giving if they lose the tax exemption for giving to churches.


19 posted on 07/27/2015 8:36:41 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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