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1 posted on 12/20/2015 4:51:09 PM PST by ReformationFan
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Catholics have said this all along. At least I have.


2 posted on 12/20/2015 4:51:50 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Wow, it only took him 85 years to figure out that what the Catholic Church has said all along is absolutely true.
3 posted on 12/20/2015 4:55:55 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: ReformationFan

The truth is that once marriage is no longer about children, then how far and how perverse you want to make it is simply a question of degree.


4 posted on 12/20/2015 5:01:42 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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The pill.....


5 posted on 12/20/2015 5:03:41 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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Actually, it started with all those GIs returning home from WW2 having been exposed to European morays. The pill and contraception was a reaction.


9 posted on 12/20/2015 5:23:48 PM PST by ameribbean expat
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The sexual revolution started with effective treatments for venereal diseases.

It accelerated with contraception.

Venereal diseases acted as a far more effective brake against promiscuous men than contraception ever had or ever will. It also acts as a brake against women.

I will also point out that DNA testing has decreased the effect of contraception somewhat.

Both contraception and treatment of venereal disease pale as factors next to the big enchilada of spreading promiscuity.

Government welfare as financial supporter of any children engendered. This removed (albeit not completely) the financial burden promiscuity resulting in children. It created a vast underclass of women who pumped out children as if they were breeding stock to keep those government checks coming in.

10 posted on 12/20/2015 5:24:57 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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That is true -the pill. What of it?

and Griswold v CT said contraception was a “fundamental right” which ushered in Roe v Wade (1973) and on and on.

But so what?


11 posted on 12/20/2015 5:25:22 PM PST by shalom aleichem
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If Christians had rejected the Pill and had retained the birth rates of the 50s, as Catholics are taught (and fail to adhere to), do you think there would be enough secularists and immigrants in this country to elect an Obama in 2008?


12 posted on 12/20/2015 5:31:26 PM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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Happy to hear it.


From Humanae Vitae, 7-25-68:

Consequences of Artificial Methods

17. Responsible men can become more deeply convinced of the truth of the doctrine laid down by the Church on this issue if they reflect on the consequences of methods and plans for artificial birth control. Let them first consider how easily this course of action could open wide the way for marital infidelity and a general lowering of moral standards. Not much experience is needed to be fully aware of human weakness and to understand that human beings—and especially the young, who are so exposed to temptation—need incentives to keep the moral law, and it is an evil thing to make it easy for them to break that law. Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection.

Finally, careful consideration should be given to the danger of this power passing into the hands of those public authorities who care little for the precepts of the moral law. Who will blame a government which in its attempt to resolve the problems affecting an entire country resorts to the same measures as are regarded as lawful by married people in the solution of a particular family difficulty? Who will prevent public authorities from favoring those contraceptive methods which they consider more effective? Should they regard this as necessary, they may even impose their use on everyone. It could well happen, therefore, that when people, either individually or in family or social life, experience the inherent difficulties of the divine law and are determined to avoid them, they may give into the hands of public authorities the power to intervene in the most personal and intimate responsibility of husband and wife.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae.html


13 posted on 12/20/2015 5:32:51 PM PST by mlizzy (America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe/Wade has deformed a great nation. -MT)
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“We are clearly at a very important turning point, but you have to go back to the early twentieth century when sexual revolutionaries largely funded an effort to separate sex and procreation, and that was birth control," Dr. Mohler said.

Better check history. For as long as people have understood that certain activity causes pregnancy, people have been looking at ways to avoid pregnancy. Contraceptives of one kind or another have been around for thousands of years. IIRC, they were found among King Tut's burial paraphernalia.

15 posted on 12/20/2015 5:39:11 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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"We are clearly at a very important turning point, but you have to go back to the early twentieth century when sexual revolutionaries largely funded an effort to separate sex and procreation, and that was birth control," Dr. Mohler said.

Which just destroyed his premise.

Contraception is more the symptom of the sin that was already in the heart. If the sin is there, the actions follow.

The action of sin never proceeds the inception in the heart.

20 posted on 12/20/2015 6:05:31 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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I did my master’s thesis on this point 20 years ago. The SCOTUS supported the birth control lobby at every turn, from 1964 onward. The irony is that the proliferation of artificial contraception has done nothing to stop the rate of unwanted pregnancy; all it has done is foster the illusion that society will “make every child a wanted child.” Before, even the unwanted pregnancies often resulted in the formation of a family with a father and a mother in the home. Now, unwanted pregnancies most often result either in abortion or an impoverished single-parent upbringing and accompanying pathologies. Progress?


23 posted on 12/20/2015 6:25:41 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Look, the establishment doesn't want me, because I don't need the establishment." --Donald Trump)
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The advent of a reliable birth control pill in the early 60's was without doubt the proximal cause of what has since been called the sexual revolution. Condoms existed for ages before, and abortion has always been covertly available, but neither was sufficient to remove the consequences of pregnancy from the decision matrix of amorous couples. The culture took a radical turn with the availability of the pill.
24 posted on 12/20/2015 6:31:36 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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And now the LGBT crowd wants control of sex education in the public schools.
The stated goal is to discard what they call “binary” or “heteronormative” distinctions. They demand that any notion that there are two sexes, male and female, must be thrown out.
Building on that, they demand sex education classes must disallow any focus on the connection between the sex act and procreation, and focus instead on the “varieties of sexual expression.”
Back in the olden days, when I was in school, boys and girls were separated to minimize embarrassment during sex ed.
Then we watched a film showing a sperm swimming into an ovum, and the cells dividing and multiplying and becoming a tiny fetus. Then we watched the baby develop thru the stages of gestation, and then the child being born. We saw everything, as it is in life.
We even had a plastic model of a pregnant lady. You could swing the front of her belly open and see the plastic baby inside.
The LGBT agenda demands this information must be withheld, replaced by lessons on oral and anal, B&D and S&M.
In. The. Public. Schools.
Planned Parenthood fights tooth and nail to prevent women from viewing sonograms, because when they do, they choose life.


25 posted on 12/20/2015 7:03:53 PM PST by mumblypeg (I've seen the future; brother it is murder. -L. Cohen)
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It’s a war on Nature and Nature’s God.


29 posted on 12/21/2015 2:39:38 AM PST by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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I wonder how having more and more women entering the workforce, until things got so most households needed two incomes, affected the development/marketing of the contraceptives. It certainly made it more important to try to plan for when to have children.

Kind of like the old chicken/egg conundrum - which came first, the tools that make it easier for society to go downhill or did society go downhill and drive the desire for the tools.

It's all in His Plan for us - He has spoken and just as His promise of Christ the Savior came true, His edict that we will slide into the depths of the sewers before He comes back to set things right will ensue.

31 posted on 12/21/2015 3:59:24 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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32 posted on 12/21/2015 5:30:57 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Influential Evangelical leader: The sexual revolution started with contraception

The people of Sodom disagree.

34 posted on 12/21/2015 5:44:45 AM PST by DungeonMaster (2John11 = shun democrats.)
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We have fallen far as a society as artificial contraception, while controversial has not been a political issue in a couple generations. For that matter, leading into the 2016 Election, Abortion is hardly mentioned by the presidential candidates.

The reality is that both artificial contraception and abortion are both destroying our society and both should be issues in 2016.


48 posted on 12/21/2015 4:23:37 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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December 18, 2015 (LifeSiteNews)

"One of the most influential evangelical Christian leaders in the United States says the sexual revolution began with the widespread availability of birth control."

Ya don't say...

66 posted on 12/23/2015 4:34:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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