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Happy Feast of the Holy Family! Pope Claims Jesus Had to Beg Forgiveness From His Parents
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Posted on 01/04/2016 1:53:48 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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Pope Francis strikes again. He's like an ecclesiastical Nero, butchering Scripture and Doctrine with wild abandon.
To: BlatherNaut
"The Gospel doesn't say this, but I believe that we can presume it." Well, there you go.
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posted on
01/04/2016 1:58:25 PM PST
by
Fido969
("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income taxes" - Albert Einstein)
To: BlatherNaut
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posted on
01/04/2016 1:59:06 PM PST
by
Ann Archy
(ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
To: BlatherNaut
The problem with the Pope is that he’s neither very smart nor very well educated. He’s a leftist and barely knows the Faith, but like many of his ilk, he’s a preening sentimentalist.
The unfortunate thing is that he’s also a ruthless careerist, and now that he’s gotten to the top of the heap, he’s proving to be a ruthless dictator. But nobody said a dictator had to be smart - just ruthless.
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posted on
01/04/2016 2:01:12 PM PST
by
livius
To: BlatherNaut
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posted on
01/04/2016 2:04:26 PM PST
by
onedoug
To: livius
The problem with the Pope is that he's neither very smart nor very well educated. He's a leftist and barely knows the Faith, but like many of his ilk, he's a preening sentimentalist.Bergoglio is smart enough to have manipulated his own election to the chair of Peter.
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01/04/2016 2:04:31 PM PST
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
To: livius
No problem in sentiment; big problem in preening.
I’d kind of wonder where they are on Mary, if she was supposed to be sinless too, or even (as the bible DOES testify) “full of grace.” She’d understand what Jesus meant once He explained. That this Boy was spiritually serious enough to go to the temple, and that it was not His fault they lost track of Him. There shouldn’t have even been a fuss at that point.
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posted on
01/04/2016 2:05:49 PM PST
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HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: ebb tide
Ruthless is the word that I used.
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01/04/2016 2:08:43 PM PST
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livius
To: HiTech RedNeck
Sentiment is all about preening - it’s always for the benefit of the audience. Everything he does or says is with an eye on the media.
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posted on
01/04/2016 2:10:54 PM PST
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livius
To: livius
You also used the word “smart” which is where I disagree with you. Bergoglio is much smarter than you think he is.
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posted on
01/04/2016 2:10:56 PM PST
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ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
To: livius
Come on, the bible talks about hard hearts and loss of sensitivity. To damn the media for the sake of the message is just wrong.
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01/04/2016 2:12:34 PM PST
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HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: HiTech RedNeck; All
"Iâd kind of wonder where they are on Mary, if she was supposed to be sinless too, . . ."Romans 3:23
To: Amendment10
When you go into that, the theology gets kind of odd to us wascally evangelicals. She is supposed to have had the unique circumstance of being completely saved before her conception. Now normally this is the point at which a human will go to heaven, but she stuck around to give birth to Jesus... I have a hard time wrapping my head around this, but it’s needed for the role they assign to her.
But at any rate, if Francis isn’t even succeeding in being Catholic, something is weird.
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posted on
01/04/2016 2:57:10 PM PST
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HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: livius
I think that the most incredible part, and most often overlooked part of that entire story is the fact that - that very day, the Jews took to the streets, and tore their clothes, because they had lost the right to execute capital punishment.
The reason for their protest, is hidden in Genesis 49, when Jacob pronounced the blessing on his children.
When he gets to Judah, he says something quite interesting:
Genesis 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee. 9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? 10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. 11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: 12 His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.
The Jews believed that the most basic principal of government, was the ability to execute capitol punishment. When they lost that right, the knew that the sceptre had departed, yet the Messiah had not come.
Little did they know, that the same day, Jesus was sitting in the temple, confounding the scholars.
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01/04/2016 3:06:07 PM PST
by
j_guru
To: Amendment10
I’d have a harder time with the idea of being saved WITHOUT going to heaven. It just doesn’t fit the larger bible narrative. About the perishable needing to put on the imperishable, and thus forth. The company of Jesus appears to be necessary in the bible narrative to bring any kind of perfected saint back to earthly visibility. Evangelicals have a point in looking at this as a deus ex machina, after the fact construction here.
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01/04/2016 3:09:39 PM PST
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HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: j_guru
This wasn’t the only time they were caught at such a disadvantage, though. How about the entire Babylonian captivity? This seems too simple to be the explanation, and it is....
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01/04/2016 3:11:56 PM PST
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HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: HiTech RedNeck
Asking forgiveness would imply sin.
Since he was sinless, why would he beg forgiveness?
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posted on
01/04/2016 3:13:14 PM PST
by
mountn man
(The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
To: mountn man
Doesn’t fit at all, and what’s more it shouldn’t have been even expected. It sounds like a mutual misunderstanding between the parents, who hustled off leaving the boy Jesus at the temple, who then occupied Himself talking with the priests and amazing them. Not His fault. He could express sorrow for the parting without having to “beg forgiveness.”
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01/04/2016 3:16:30 PM PST
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HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: HiTech RedNeck
Or in the hypothesis of a sinless Mary, she had counted on Joseph but he didn’t follow through... but still... at any rate for her to have been talking about Him as though He had done something wrong was wrong of her. A sinless Mary ought to know what was up wouldn’t we think?...
It’s like the story just doesn’t support the sinless-Mary explanation, the more it is looked at.
And maybe that’s dawning on Francis even though he’s looking at it from the wrong angle. It might have to be Catholic theologians who will have to do some apologizing... not Jesus.
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posted on
01/04/2016 3:25:05 PM PST
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HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: BlatherNaut
The “pope” obviously knows not God, the righteousness of Jesus Christ. He needs to be saved.
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posted on
01/04/2016 3:31:47 PM PST
by
Bellflower
(It's not that there isn't any evidence of God, it's that everything is evidence of God.)
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