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To: CraigEsq; Cletus.D.Yokel
Sorry for the late response, but I do not condone such language.

Is not condone synonymous for condemn ?

Care to answer my question now?

I have no idea what is in a book of concord; does it mention Judaism ?

I have a very good idea what Lutherans confess on this thread. It seems quite at odds with what the Lutherans of the Missouri Synod teach about Judaism on this web page. Thus I ask again if the Lutherans here are condemning post 19 by a denominational colleague who wrote "Luther agitated against the demonic cult known as Judaism."

We in The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod “condemn any and all discrimination against others on account of race or religion or any coercion on that account and pledge ourselves to work and witness against such sins.

442 posted on 03/26/2016 8:48:22 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
I have a very good idea what Lutherans confess on this thread. It seems quite at odds with what the Lutherans of the Missouri Synod teach about Judaism on this web page. Thus I ask again if the Lutherans here are condemning post 19 by a denominational colleague who wrote "Luther agitated against the demonic cult known as Judaism."

You might want to be careful about opening this can of worms. There is a lot pope quotes and actions against Jews as well:

POPE CLEMENT VIII: "All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor. Then as now Jews have to be reminded intermittently anew that they were enjoying rights in any country since they left Palestine and the Arabian desert, and subsequently their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live."

SYLVESTER I. Condemned Jewish anti-Christian activity.

GREGORY VIII. Forbade Jews to have power over Christians, in a letter to Alfonso VI of Castile.

GREGORY IX. Condemned the TALMUD as containing "every kind of vileness and blasphemy against Christian doctrine."

BENEDICT XIII. His Bull on the Jewish issue (1450) declared: "The heresies, vanities and errors of the TALMUD prevent their knowing the truth."

JULIUS III. Contra Hebreos retinentes libros (1554) ordered the TALMUD burned "everywhere" and established a strict censorship over Jewish genocidal writings - an order that has never been rescinded and which presumably is still binding upon Catholics.

PAUL IV. Cum nimis absurdim (1555) promulgated immediately after his coronation, was a powerful condemnation of Jewish usury. It embodies a model legal code to curb Jewish power that was recommended to all communities.

PIUS V. Hebraeorum gens (1569) expelled all Jews from the Papal States.

GREGORY XIII. Declared that Jews: "continue to plot horrible crimes" against Christians "with daily increasing audacity."

BENEDICT XIV. Quo Primum 1751) denounced Jewish control of commerce and "systematical despoliation" of the Christian through usury.

PIUS VII. Known generally as an 'anti-Semite' by Jewish writers.

443 posted on 03/27/2016 1:42:39 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: af_vet_1981

“I have a very good idea what Lutherans confess on this thread.”

So one sentence in one post is good enough for that? Hmmm...

“Thus I ask again if the Lutherans here are condemning post 19 by a denominational colleague who wrote ‘Luther agitated against the demonic cult known as Judaism’.”

Is it burden to condemn everything someone else says? I do not believe Judaism is a demonic cult, and I feel it was inappropriate to do so. But reviewing the posts by the poster, and without reading his mind, I also think it quite clear he was not intending to be anti-semetic.

“I have no idea what is in a book of concord; does it mention Judaism?”

Taking at face value and in good faith (though simply clicking on the link would have given all you need to know about it), the Book of Concord was written mostly during the reformation (though the ancient creeds also form a part of it) explaining the beliefs of the “Lutheran” church in comparison to the Roman Catholic Church. It is accepted completely (Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod) or to some extent (Evangelical Lutheran Church of America) by Lutheran churches as faithful statements of Christian doctrine.

Does it mention Judaism? Well I can do a search on that page same as you, and the Jews get a couple of brief mentions, apparently nothing significant. Which is understandable.

“It seems quite at odds with what the Lutherans of the Missouri Synod teach about Judaism on this web page.”

Okay, so then why such ado about what one poster posted on one thread somewhere on the internet?


444 posted on 03/27/2016 5:53:03 PM PDT by CraigEsq
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