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To: Mrs. Don-o
Since Baal was the Canaanites’ god, I’m going to guess it was adoration. They were polytheists, as I understand it.

Come Mrs D....it was worship and you know it. The OT calls it worship in more than one place.

As far as your other examples....I don't see anyone praying to a flag, their beloved, or Abigail before David as the catholic does with Mary.

They do not rely upon Mary for intercession and salvation as does the catholic.

This is a very disingenuous attempt of the catholic to equate kneeling and praying to Mary with every day events in an attempt to excuse the worship of Mary.

20 posted on 04/27/2016 12:08:22 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
Thanks for calling me disingenuous., It's always nice to get a personal comment impugning one's honesty when trying to engage in a civilized discussion.

The question at hand was whether one can say without doubt that a person is "worshiping": (by which we mean, offering adoration, in contrast to "venerating," offering high respect/honor)) when they bow, kneel, or genuflect. I have demonstrated that bowing does not necessarily mean adoring.

Biblically, just jotting down examples, it appears that bowing more often means veneration or honor or respect, than adoration. It as certainly understood that way in Biblical culture, depending on context. But you can count up the instances yourself.

Bowing (LINK)

21 posted on 04/27/2016 12:22:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: ealgeone; Mrs. Don-o

Really, ealgeone? After our recent conversation, you are still misrepresenting what the Catholic Church teaches?

To reiterate, the official teaching of the Catholic Church differentiates between the devotion given to Mary and the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Again, here are definitions from the Glossary of Catechism of the Catholic Church

VENERATION (OF SAINTS): Showing devotion and respect to Mary, the Apostles, and the martyrs, who were viewed as faithful witnesses to faith in Jesus Christ. Later, veneration was given to those who led a life of prayer and self-denial in giving witness to Christ, whose virtues were recognized and publicly proclaimed in their canonization as saints (828). Such veneration is often extended to the relics or remains of those recognized as saints; indeed, to many sacred objects and images. VENERATION MUST BE CLEARLY DISTINGUISHED FROM ADORATION AND WORSHIP, WHICH ARE DUE TO GOD ALONE (1154, 1674, 2132).

ADORATION: The acknowledgment of God as God, Creator and Savior, the Lord and Master of everything that exists. Through worship and prayer, the Church and individual persons give to God the adoration which is the first act of the virtue of religion. The first commandment of the law obliges us to adore God (2096, 2628; cf. 1083).

WORSHIP: Adoration and honor given to God, which is the first act of the virtue of religion (2096). Public worship is given to God in the Church by the celebration of the Paschal Mystery of Christ in the liturgy (1067).


22 posted on 04/27/2016 12:54:24 PM PDT by rwa265
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