Which organization will self destruct first, the GOP or the Catholic Church?
I guess, then, the Word of God (i.e., Holy Bible) also uses very destructive language regarding sin, in general, and homosexuality, specifically.
Sort of like the destruction leveled by Him on Sodom? On Gomorrah?
I don't see a problem with that.
“Dear Pope Francis: apologize for bad catechesis, for bad pastoral programs, for bad priests, and for the apathetic Bishops who do nothing to correct them,” Sciambra wrote. “As for the long dead who passed from this life, far too young, because no one ever bothered to tell them the Truth – no amount of apologizing will ever bring them back.”
If he were a catechumen, I would not --- as a member of the RCIA teaching team --- consider him eligible to enter the Catholic Church.
Sounds like an oxymoron. What does "actively gay" mean? I take it to mean actively buggering. Am I wrong? How can you be a devout Catholic who is actively buggering?
That sounds like describing a man as a "devout husband" when he is actively getting laid by other women.
So, a man inserting his penis up another man’s rectum is *not* intrinsically disordered? Homosexual sodomy without use of condom, the resulting HIV/AIDS diagnosis, and death at the median age of 47 is *not* intrinsically disordered? Flagrant displays of nudity, sex acts, and anti-Christian tableaux at “pride” parades are *not* intrinsically disordered?
San Diego has a vocal homosexual population. About what this RC bishop is concerned is that his diocese isn’t getting the gays’ cash; it’s being snapped up by the Episcopalians, Unitarians, and the rest of the faux Christian religions.
“Follow the money...”
Here is some news on what the Pope is doing.
Go and sin no more.
The Pope will tell us what to think. Then it’ll all be fine.
What if the Church was threatened with being unable to do that anymore?
What did you expect would happen to the Caholic Church when homosexuals were allowed in the priesthood? They are running the place now. When you ignore God’s Word, nothing good happens.
It’s in the Book, that’s the way it will be.
Well homosexual acts are like other immorality intrinsically disordered. Adultery is intrinsically disordered also from a Christian standpoint. No where in the bible does it say that it will cure one of their temptations to sin. What it does do is put one on a path where through Christ our broken vessels can be made whole not by ourselves but through Christ. The only mistake I see that the church made is to allow the idea that one’s temptations will be forever extinguished upon becoming a Christian when the exact opposite is often true. When you join the legion of eternity the legion of darkness sees you even more as a target. A large part of Christianity is learning to put ones temptations in context understanding that they do not define you.
My biggest problem with lgbt is that they define themselves by their sin. Many act as if the very idea that they might not act on temptation is harmful to them.
Lgbt are not of course alone. Many others behave the same when it is their sinful nature being chastised. Try suggesting to someone that is overweight that they shouldn’t have a cookie. Temptation is like that or else it wouldn’t be temptation. It makes that adulterous relationship seem so much better till of course you get divorced then get married and find out that it really wasn’t too much different which is of course why most marriages that are the product of adultery also fail. We could go on and on. Homosexuality is just another sin that is only more pronounced because it mocks the union that God defined for humanity since the world’s foundation which is of course the goal of the lucifer. He twists what is good into an aberration and then laughs as like drug addicts we refuse to let go of the corruption that eats us from the soul inside out.
Check McElroy’s history. Where has he been and are there any molestation complaints?
The New Catholic Church. It’s not your parent’s church any longer.
Destructive my foot. It’s too wishy washy if anything!
The good old Baltimore Catechism was spot on: “a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance.”
Prayer for the Extirpation of the Sodomist Heresy
Almighty God, who in Thy ineffable glory did fashion man and woman in Thine image, deign to hear the plaintive cries of Thy suffering family on earth. Break all the heresies and powers of Hell that now rage against us, especially those pertaining to the unspeakable sin of sodomy. Look with mercy on those most pitiable souls it ensnares, and release them from its horrid clasp forever. Destroy the chains in which the devil has bound them, extinguish their every lust with the waters of Thy sacraments, and purify them in the divine fire of Thy Triune Love.
In Thy sovereignty also, remember the innocence of Thy children now on earth and yet to be born, and suffer not their cries to heaven for vengeance to endure. Obliterate every power of the enemy over the people of God, drive those who preach these errors from Thy holy sanctuary, and bring to speedy and total ruin every state, every province, and every city that exults in these crimes against nature, making, we humbly beg Thee, provision for Thy faithful as once Thou did with our patriarch Abraham.
O Lord Jesus Christ crucified, so hated by the principalities of the world, grant Thy poor servants the honor to suffer meekly with Thee the taunts, insults, and injuries of Calvary. And, in merciful consideration for the many weaknesses of our fallen nature, generously bestow on us every consolation and courage that Thou gave to St. Peter on the road from Rome, that we may both faithfully witness Thee to the fleeting empires of men, and forever adore Thee in Thy everlasting kingdom in heaven. Amen.
McElroy seems to want to deny truth. That is not a good idea.
I am not Roman Catholic, but this ought to alert the laity about some wolves in your midst.
Or, you can join those of us who are Reformed. ;-)
Yes, we have our problems too, I know.
The bishop is conflating two disparate issues (though I suspect he knows this): the “sin” as defined by scripture, and the “sinner”.
Yes, the church has - by and large - treated homosexuals as if they were a special class of sinners; MORE sinful than say adulterers, or slanderers, gossipers or back-biters. You’ll notice that Christ more often than not directed his angst at hypocrisy.
It is purely my speculation, but my belief is that Christ, had scripture recorded him meeting with a homosexual, he would have - like Zacchaeus (the thief, cheat & social pariah), or the woman at the well (serial adulterer), or the woman being stoned for adultery - addressed their underlying “heart” issue - and told them to “go and sin no more”.
Consider the Apostle Paul: do we think he was uttering hyperbole when he described himself as the “chief of sinners”?
Having said that, the church must hold the line on what sin IS. We do not help the homosexual by declaring that their lifestyle is normal & healthy - anymore than we would describe the lifestyle of a drunk or an adulterer as healthy. Those that would encourage this sort of thinking are committing the greater sin and are worthy of having a millstone hung around their neck (Matthew 18:6).
Our message should be that the blood of Christ is sufficient to cover ALL sin for those who repent and believe.
And for those of us who are believers, I like to remind us - as Steve Brown is fond of stating - that all of us are beggars, telling others where we have found bread.
Bergoglio appointed McElroy BECAUSE McElroy is an outspoken proponent of Communion-for-abortionists.
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