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Vatican Newspaper: 'Amoris Laetitia' is Authoritative Church Teaching
Catholic News Service ^ | 8/23/16 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 08/25/2016 6:45:18 PM PDT by marshmallow

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To: ealgeone

You are so unfamiliar with the relevant terminology that you are unable to write a meaningful sentence.

“...[T]hey saw the annulments...”?

This is supposed to be shocking?

Nobody ever said annulments are invisible.


41 posted on 08/26/2016 10:26:02 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: ealgeone

“Did something change after 2013?”

Yes. A corrupt, faithless man was elected Pope, who teaches error. Educated Catholics, who know what the Church teaches, will not be deceived. Uneducated people, many of them, will be deceived.


42 posted on 08/26/2016 10:28:07 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: armydoc

There is no basis for your assumption that Bergoglio sincerely believes what he is peddling is Catholicism.

And even if he believed he was teaching Catholicism, he wouldn’t be.


43 posted on 08/26/2016 10:30:05 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: circlecity

Correct. Relying on the Bible alone is the answer to all confusion.

Are there 20,000 Protestant churches? Or 30,000? Or has it reached 40,000 yet?


44 posted on 08/26/2016 10:31:11 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: ealgeone

An annulment does not end a marriage.


45 posted on 08/26/2016 11:44:06 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
A Catholic is free—indeed, obliged—to reject teaching from any Pope that contradicts what has been taught from the beginning by all his predecessors.

Except that:

God has given the Holy Father a kind of infallibility distinct from the charism of doctrinal infallibility in the strict sense. He has so constructed and ordered the Church that those who follow the directives given to the entire kingdom of God on earth will never be brought into the position of ruining themselves spiritually through this obedience.

If Francis is giving teaching to the entire Kingdom of God that contradicts Catholic teaching and therefore brings about spiritual ruin (and requires Catholics to reject it and be disobedient), then Catholics need to question why God hasn't given the Church the aforementioned infallible safety with Francis at the helm.

46 posted on 08/27/2016 3:54:28 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: Arthur McGowan
"Are there 20,000 Protestant churches? Or 30,000? Or has it reached 40,000 yet?"

Only if you are referring to the number of buildings? Denominations? Less than 100. About the same amount as Catholic denominations but they all call themselves Catholic.

47 posted on 08/27/2016 4:28:44 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Arthur McGowan

I think I have asked you in the past if you were a sedevacantist and you answered in the negative. You may not claim it formally, but you do realize you are a practical sedevacantist, don’t you?


48 posted on 08/27/2016 5:33:38 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: armydoc

Nonsense.

You are promoting an anti-Catholic cartoon of “papal infallibility.”


49 posted on 08/27/2016 5:39:30 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
This isn't about infallibility. Papal infallibility, while certainly a problem for protestants in theory, has become a practical non-issue in the modern age, simply because it hasn't been invoked for over 60 years and probably won't be invoked again. So, the average Catholic is required to employ considerable interpretation to modern (fallible) papal teachings, comparing them to fallible historical teachings such as the CCC. Perhaps you could help clear this up for me by referring me to the definitive list of infallible, binding Catholic teachings. Surely it exists.

As far as your practical sedevacantism, there really is no other way to accurately describe your position. By your own admission, you "ignore" him and advise others to do the same. Ignore, as in act as if he doesn't exist. The chair is empty in a practical sense.
50 posted on 08/27/2016 6:49:48 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: Arthur McGowan

All “valid” marriages? Ah yes, the renowned Catholic redefinition of common words is now in play.


51 posted on 08/27/2016 6:50:01 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Arthur McGowan

Hey, y’all don’t even think this pope is legit. Some catholics don’t even think anything is legit after VII. we won’t even go into the different catholic denominations.


52 posted on 08/27/2016 6:52:08 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Arthur McGowan
Correct. Relying on the Bible alone is the answer to all confusion.

You don't even realize how accurate you are.

53 posted on 08/27/2016 6:53:26 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Arthur McGowan

No on ever said comprehension was a catholic strong point.


54 posted on 08/27/2016 6:54:13 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: marshmallow

“’Amoris Laetitia’ is Authoritative Church Teaching”

How about Emily Litella? Similar names.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjYoNL4g5Vg


55 posted on 08/27/2016 6:57:30 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I don't want better government; I want much less of it.)
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To: armydoc

As a matter of fact, all the de fide propositions taught by the Church can be listed. They are identified as such in every manual of dogmatic theology, and in the catechism. If you want them listed, use google.

I am not a sedevacantist of any sort. I just recognize that the current Pope is peddling political nonsense and doctrinal error.

A Catholic’s faith does not require daily, weekly, monthly, or even yearly updates from any Pope, not even the current Pope. The sources for the Catholic Faith are Scripture and Tradition, principally the liturgy.

You are still faulting me for not subscribing to the Protestant cartoon version of Catholicism.


56 posted on 08/27/2016 4:47:49 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: armydoc

The chair IS empty of a good Pope. But that’s not what sedevacantism means. Sedevacantism means there is NO Pope.

You are attempting to redefine sedevacantism, deceptively.


57 posted on 08/27/2016 4:53:24 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: ealgeone

You are wilfully ignorant of the relevant terminology, which has been perfectly stable for 20 centuries.

Accusing others of “redefining” terms that you can’t even use accurately doesn’t even sting, not even a little.

You are a bush-league anti-Catholic bigot.


58 posted on 08/27/2016 4:57:24 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
A "valid" marriage....is indeed redefined in roman catholicism.

It is done to justify allowing a divorce or the end of the marriage with man made justifications. It is exactly what the Pharisees did.

For a Catholic marriage to be valid, it is required that: (1) the spouses are free to marry; (2) they are capable of giving their consent to marry; (3) they freely exchange their consent; (4) in consenting to marry, they have the intention to marry for life, to be faithful to one another and be open to children; (5) they intend the good of each other; and (6) their consent is given in the presence of two witnesses and before a properly authorized Church minister. Exceptions to the last requirement must be approved by Church authority.

An initiative of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops

http://www.foryourmarriage.org/catholic-marriage/church-teachings/annulments/

btw...this would mean Joseph and Mary's marriage would not be valid as per catholicism, though not the Bible, she was not open to children.

59 posted on 08/27/2016 5:17:34 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

She was not “open to children”?

Hmmm. The angel Gabriel came to visit her, and asked if she would consent to be the mother of the savior. She said Yes.

This, among Protestants, is what passes for “reading the Bible”?


60 posted on 08/27/2016 6:39:17 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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