Pope Francis: ‘God promised the land to the people of Israel’

The Jerusalem Post ^ | 10/26/2016 | LAHAV HARKOV, TOVAH LAZAROFF

[Mrs. Don-o]

• In dramatic vote, UNESCO Jerusalem resolution passes with slim support

• Knesset Speaker asks Vatican to join battle against UNESCO’s denial of history

• Israeli Deputy Minister for Regional Cooperation Ayoub Kara felt the pontiff was sending a direct message to UNESCO.

Pope Francis with Ayoub Kara at the Vatican on October 26, 2016. (photo credit:AYOUB KARA)

God promised the Holy Land to the people of Israel, Pope Francis said during a public address at the Vatican in Rome on Wednesday in a speech about migration.

“The people of Israel, who from Egypt, where they were enslaved, walked through the desert for forty years until they reached the land promised by God,” he said.

Pope Francis spoke just before granting a brief audience to Israeli Deputy Minister for Regional Cooperation Ayoub Kara to thank him for his efforts on behalf of the Church and Christians in Israel.

Kara told reporters he felt that the pontiff was sending a direct message to UNESCO, whose World Heritage Committee approved a resolution that ignored Jewish ties to the Temple Mount.

When he spoke with Pope Francis he thanked him for his statement acknowledging Israel’s rights to the Holy Land. He added that there is no question that the resolution is harmful to Christians and the Scriptures because it “distorts historical and theological facts.”

Kara is scheduled to meet on Thursday with Vatican Secretary of State Pietro Cardinal Parolin.

[big snip]

Bayit Yehudi chairwoman Shuli Moalem-Refaeli said: “Arabs in Israel and abroad have a glorious record of harming Jewish, Christian and Muslim holy sites. They also have an impressive record of rewriting history in a way that shames international institutions.”

If Arabs want to disavow the Jewish connection to the Temple Mount and Israel, they should take it one step further, she added: “If we were never here and Jesus was a Palestinian, then I suggest that UNESCO condemn the Palestinians for crucifying Jesus.”

[ebb tide]

He obviously was himself a Jew with Jewish family in a Jewish community and having mostly Jewish followers and supporters in the Jewish promised homeland.

Are you, yourself, a Jew? If not, why aren't you?

[ebb tide]

What four pApal statements are you babbling about?

[cloudmountain]

“Neo-Aramaic languages are spoken today as a first language by many scattered and usually small and isolated communities of Christians, Jews, and Mandaeans of Western Asia,[9] most numerously by the Assyrian people in the form of Turoyo, Assyrian Neo-Aramaic and Chaldean Neo-Aramaic that have all retained use of the once dominant lingua franca despite subsequent language shifts experienced throughout the Middle East. The Aramaic languages are now considered endangered.[10]”

I knew that but thanks for the reminder.

[cloudmountain]

I wish I had that. As I remember it, the Latin Mass Missal over the course of 52 weeks would essentially be your Catechism as well.
You CAN buy a Missal like I have from the various Catholic stores online. That's where I got mine.
http://www.catholicbookpublishing.com/list/category/st.+Joseph+Missals

Religious Instructions would be unnecessary as all the youngsters needed to know could be had by attending Mass.
I beg to differ.
The once-a-week Sunday homily can't make up for a Catholic education, K-12, where DAILY instruction in our faith is part of the curriculum.

I was able to walk into English IA in college BECAUSE of my K-12 Catholic education. I actually KNEW how to read, write and spell.
I taught at the community college level for 27 years and KNOW the TOUGH times public schools students had with reading, writing and spelling.
BONEHEAD English [not to be confused with ESL] USED to be only one or two classes. NOW students come in at the "Dick and Jane" reading and writing level.
VERY sad.

[MichaelCorleone]

Thank you for that information. I guess I should have thought of that before.

Aside from that, I was really referring to the Mass itself as essentially teaching the Catechism over the course of a year (52 regular Sunday Mass and Holy Days of Obligation). Not the homily.

But now that I think about it, that may be true for an adult, but teaching children the Faith requires classroom teaching.

And thank you for taking the time to respond.

[af_vet_1981]

If a German converts to Judaism, does he now have a claim to the Holy Land>

If a Moabitess converts to Judaism can she be the grandmother of a King of Israel and have the Messiah as her descendant ?

And they lifted up their voice, and wept again: and Orpah kissed her mother in law; but Ruth clave unto her. And she said, Behold, thy sister in law is gone back unto her people, and unto her gods: return thou after thy sister in law. And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me. When she saw that she was stedfastly minded to go with her, then she left speaking unto her.

Ruth, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses fourteen to eighteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[piusv]

Don’t you see? Anything pre-Vatican II is ignored ESPECIALLY when it clearly contradicts anything post-Vatican II. Those that like the new, non-Catholic teaching refuse to see and continue in their blindness. Sheep led to the slaughter.

[piusv]

So, as a Catholic, you believe that the Catholic Church did not interpret Scripture correctly for 1960 + years. It was wrong for nearly 2,000 years until JPII got it correct. It would be laughable if it weren’t so tragic.

[Prince of Desmond]

“If a Moabitess converts to Judaism can she be the grandmother of a King of Israel and have the Messiah as her descendant ?”

Sure. But conversion to Judaism didn’t grant her a personal claim to the Holy Land. She was a stranger who married into the royal family of the Biblical chosen people. She herself was a foreigner with no special heritage or ancestral membership to the chosen people. And that by no means demonstrates that a person who converted to Judaism after the coming of Christ shares in God’s Old Covenant promise to Abraham.

[af_vet_1981]

Sure. But conversion to Judaism didn’t grant her a personal claim to the Holy Land. She was a stranger who married into the royal family of the Biblical chosen people. She herself was a foreigner with no special heritage or ancestral membership to the chosen people. And that by no means demonstrates that a person who converted to Judaism after the coming of Christ shares in God’s Old Covenant promise to Abraham.

1. The stranger who joined Israel inherited the same law and promises, according to the Law of Moses.
2. Even after the coming of the Messiah the commandments apply to Israel.
3. Even after the comming of the Messiah the promises apply to physical Israelites.

And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Thus did all the children of Israel; as the Lord commanded Moses and Aaron, so did they.


Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Exodus, Catholic chapter twelve, Protestant verses forty eight to fifty,
Matthew, Catholic chapter five, Protestant verses seventeen to twenty,
Romans, Catholic chapter nine, Protestant verses one to five,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[cloudmountain]

Thank you for that information. I guess I should have thought of that before.
Aside from that, I was really referring to the Mass itself as essentially teaching the Catechism over the course of a year (52 regular Sunday Mass and Holy Days of Obligation). Not the homily.
But now that I think about it, that may be true for an adult, but teaching children the Faith requires classroom teaching.
And thank you for taking the time to respond.
The Mass is a celebration via a meal of His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. It's an appropriate way to celebrate as we humans have always seemed to CELEBRATE with food in some form. Baptisms, weddings, even deaths are times where food is served. At wakes people might recall good times, jokes and such while eating/drinking.
We DO learn about what is really important via what we celebrate, don't we?

So Jesus' passion [The definition of PASSION is "suffering."], death and resurrection for OUR sins is a gift worth celebrating.

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teaching children the Faith requires classroom teaching.
I agree 100% with you there.
We also KNOW that children's brains don't mature enough to truly understand the difference between right and wrong until they reach the "age of reason."
I SAW that once as a six-year-old boy was late to class. It wasn't HIS fault but he BLUSHED. That was a visible sign of his reaching the "age of reason." Children cannot blush until they reach that age, at six or seven years of age.