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False News Claim of Methodist/Islamist Convergence
The Institute on Religion and Democracy ^ | 8 Dec 16 | Mark Tooley

Posted on 12/09/2016 10:59:02 AM PST by xzins

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1 posted on 12/09/2016 10:59:02 AM PST by xzins
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To: All; rhett october; Gamecock

The fake news about a small Texas church and Islam is herein debunked.


2 posted on 12/09/2016 10:59:41 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

It’s so fake, I hadn’t heard about it yet


3 posted on 12/09/2016 11:02:46 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: xzins

It’s the seriesness of the charge. Waco (e.g. Shootout at the Twin Peaks corral) is a crazy place and needs to provide data to prove that it is not.


4 posted on 12/09/2016 11:02:48 AM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: Paladin2

The proper name of that city south of here is ZimbabWaco.


5 posted on 12/09/2016 11:05:21 AM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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To: AppyPappy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3503046/posts


6 posted on 12/09/2016 11:06:42 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins
Do false news outlets even care if rebutted?


NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC do not seem to care.
7 posted on 12/09/2016 11:10:00 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie ( http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama)
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To: xzins

Fake or NOT, Christian churches have to be aware of Muslim “invaders” in ALL of our churches, odumbo in particular.


8 posted on 12/09/2016 11:11:30 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: MrEdd
I defer to your knowledge.

I'm only aware of the Branch Dividians, The Shootout, and maybe a cafeteria debacle. (Though Hasan maybe a relatively local perp)

9 posted on 12/09/2016 11:11:40 AM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: xzins

A debunking worthy of the DPRK or Pravda.


10 posted on 12/09/2016 11:11:51 AM PST by Organic Panic (Rich White Man Evicts Poor Black Family From Public Housing - MSNBCPBSCNNNYTABC)
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To: xzins

http://pamelageller.com/2016/12/local-texas-united-methodist-church-waco-now-embracing-islam.html/

What is the truth here?


11 posted on 12/09/2016 11:12:41 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie ( http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama)
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To: Organic Panic

???


12 posted on 12/09/2016 11:14:01 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie; Organic Panic
Here's the important part of Tooley's article:

Meanwhile a Waco local TV station investigated the story and found no evidence to support the colorful claims that a Waco church was potentially a tool for Islamicizing churches. “You can’t believe everything that you read,” the church’s new pastor is quoted in response. “I’ve just never heard anything like that before.” An elderly church member who says he hasn’t missed church in five years reports never hearing any sermon like what PamelaGeller.com claimed.
Bosqueville United Methodist Church as of 2015 had only 49 members and an average attendance of 33, with likely minimal financial resources, probably making it an unlikely target for refugee resettlement much less an effective tool for Islamization.

13 posted on 12/09/2016 11:16:55 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

and yet the garbage continues to be posted


14 posted on 12/09/2016 11:17:27 AM PST by bigbob (We have better coverage than Verizon - Can You Hear Us Now?)
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To: xzins

It is certainly true that this or that UMC local church will do this sort of thing, and has done this sort of thing.

It is also true that the “central” administrative and executive “officials” of the UMC are politically aligned with the radical Progressive left.

At the same time, Alex Jones’ Infowars and radio show is pretty wacko. Not a credible source of information.


15 posted on 12/09/2016 11:17:33 AM PST by mbarker12474
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To: xzins

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I must have missed the debunking.

It does sound plausible, judging by what I have seen in SF Bay Area, and western Washington state UMC parishes.

Rather than sloughing it off, it would seem appropriate to increase one’s defenses.

The decay of the churches is Biblically supported.
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16 posted on 12/09/2016 11:18:09 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: bigbob

I’m an ordained UMC elder, but I’m a conservative. I have no problem with calling out our denomination when it deserves it. But I know these little country churches of 30-40 people. If a constant attender says he’s never heard such a sermon, then I’m confident that it hasn’t happened.


17 posted on 12/09/2016 11:19:23 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: mbarker12474

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Pam Geller has always been solidly reliable.

She constantly places herself in danger to bring us the facts.
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18 posted on 12/09/2016 11:20:58 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

See #13. An eyewitness debunking.

And Texas is one of our most conservative areas, so it’s unlikely one would find other than a conservative, rural church. They are Texans and Methodists. Bear that in mind.


19 posted on 12/09/2016 11:21:19 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: mbarker12474

I wouldn’t trust the UMC hierarchy on anything.

But I do trust the word of a member who hasn’t missed in years who says he’s never heard of such a sermon ever being preached in his church.


20 posted on 12/09/2016 11:22:23 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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