Posted on 02/11/2017 6:41:06 AM PST by searchinsany
John received the Revelation prior to AD 70, to encourage and prepare the Church for the events leading to the vision's imminent fulfillment. I believe therefore, Christ's second coming described in the Revelation took place during the ‘great and the dreadful day of the Lord’ in AD 70. On that 'day' of judgement, Old Covenant Israel ended with the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem; the remaining survivors of the Jewish nation were enslaved and dispersed throughout the Roman Empire. Futurists, Dispensationalism in particular, adamantly oppose this view by insisting on a post-AD 70 date, in an attempt to refute Preterism. However, the AD 95 date is heavily dependent on the writings of certain Church Fathers, primarily a 2nd century quotation taken from the writing of Irenaeus, found in the works of Eusebius, Book 5, and Chapter 8.
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What he said is finished was the work as Cohen Gadol.
It was something he had to say, just as Pilate had to confirm that there was no fault in Yeshua, our Passover lamb.
The phrases are a part of Torah, just like everything Yeshua and his apostles did day in and day out.
Yeshua has plenty left to do.
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“It is finished” was a victory phrase used by the general at the end of a war. In Jesus, the victory has been won - Satan had been defeated! He is still around, but is now like a “toothless lion”, roaring to scare and intimidate (and remind of of sins long ago forgiven and forgotten by God).
And without that victory - or without Temple sacrifice - there can be not forgiveness for sins.
There is no other way consistent with the reading of the Torah and New Covenant (New Testament).
What about the new and everlasting testament?
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Read your Bible for a change!
The words spoken by all were the traditional Passover ceremony.
The feasts govern everything that has happened, and everything that will happen.
That is why Paul emphasized the importance of the “shadow pictures.” They are how we learn how to be a part of it.
That is why Yeshua said “if you will not watch, I will come as a thief.”
To those that watch, as the Thessalonians did, he does not come as a thief.
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Twisted translation.
It is not new, but to those that are a part of it it is indeed everlasting.
The “New” part was 4th century rewriting of the epistles and gospels.
Irenaeus saw nothing new.
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Luther is just another catholic to my way of thinking.
So are the many so-called protestants that cling to antinomianism. They are protesting catholics.
Yeshua’s way is the only way. He and his apostles preached Torah solidly. The errors became entrenched in the 4th century.
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old covenant, new covenant not mentioned anywhere?
Try Jeremiah 31:31; Hebrews 8:13
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“New covenant” is a falsehood created long after the messianic writings were first penned.
Renewed covenant is the correct term from Jeremiah 31.
It was renewed at the cross, through the shed sinless blood of Yeshua that was poured on the mercy seat of the Ark, buried below the cross.
This is attested to by John in chapter 5 of his first epistle.
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My view on the resurrections is slightly different. There are only 2 general resurrections of the dead spoken of in the New Testament (not counting special resurrections that only applied to limited individuals, such as those who may have been resurrected along with Jesus, or people who were assumed directly to heaven). The first happens at the Second Coming of Christ at the end of the tribulation, and the second is the one you speak of that happens before the “White Throne Judgement”.
These two events are described in Revelation, in the Gospels, in Acts, and in the epistles in similar terms. Revelation calls them the first and the second resurrection (no mention of a third). Other parts of the New Testament refer to them as the resurrection of the just and the resurrection of the unjust, or the resurrection of the righteous and the resurrection of the wicked, or the resurrection to life and the resurrection to damnation. There is no third option with God, either you are saved, and are resurrected to eternal life, or you will be part of the second resurrection, where Revelation tells us all will be judged according to their works. Since we know that you cannot earn salvation through your works, I believe that phrase essentially tells us that all of those who are part of the second resurrection will be damned.
“Jesus came in Judgement at the destruction of the Temple and the Jewish Nation. How can anyone disagree with that?”
Perhaps because the Bible tells us that every nation on earth will witness Christ’s coming when He returns, and not a single one witnessed Him returning in 70 AD?
I did not say this was the second coming. I do not agree with any statement about a second coming. That term is man-made. I believe He came in judgement at the destruction of Israel at the end of the old covenant age, and He will come again at the end of the new covenant age.
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“I do not agree with any statement about a second coming. That term is man-made. I believe He came in judgement at the destruction of Israel at the end of the old covenant age...”
You don’t like the “man-made” term “second coming”, but who made your idea about Jesus “coming in judgement” at the destruction of Israel in 70 AD? Where is that written in the Bible?
There are plenty of judgements against nations issued in the Bible, and Jesus didn’t have to come down to earth to issue those. One word from God in heaven and a judgement is carried out.
Your idea about Jesus coming two more times is also man-made. There are only prophecies of Jesus returning one more time after his assumption to heaven, for example:
“27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” Hebrews 9:27-28
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“10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” Acts 1:10-11
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“20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have died. 21 For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead has also come through a human being; 22 for as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father, after he has destroyed every ruler and every authority and power.” 1 Cor 15:20-24
The last verses are crystal clear that the end of the world follows Christ’s coming, so if Jesus already came back, we wouldn’t be here arguing about it.
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