Posted on 02/11/2017 6:41:06 AM PST by searchinsany
John received the Revelation prior to AD 70, to encourage and prepare the Church for the events leading to the vision's imminent fulfillment. I believe therefore, Christ's second coming described in the Revelation took place during the ‘great and the dreadful day of the Lord’ in AD 70. On that 'day' of judgement, Old Covenant Israel ended with the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem; the remaining survivors of the Jewish nation were enslaved and dispersed throughout the Roman Empire. Futurists, Dispensationalism in particular, adamantly oppose this view by insisting on a post-AD 70 date, in an attempt to refute Preterism. However, the AD 95 date is heavily dependent on the writings of certain Church Fathers, primarily a 2nd century quotation taken from the writing of Irenaeus, found in the works of Eusebius, Book 5, and Chapter 8.
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I said “....1000 was the largest number the Romans had and would use the word for 1000 or any amount bigger then a 1000....”
I should of said largest unit of numbers. Even all the examples you gave me were given in that x amount of that unit, I hope I said that right.
The next major unit of measurement would be a million which if I’m correct the Romans didn’t have a concept of that or at least the average Roman didn’t or talk like that. I hope you understand what I’m saying.
Bwahahaha ... pulled those covers!
Accepted ! Onward and upward !!
Any degree of Preterism is blasphemous unBiblical nonsense from hell, imho. God cares more about literally fulfilling His Word than He does about His own Name.
An assertion was flat out made that contradicts what is common knowledge...all I asked for was on what did he base his premise. That is not a change of subject
—I’m— the one that got away from the subject; thus the apology from me.
Oh okay. Mea culpa I am easily confused
Sorry - what is the difference? I agreed with everything in the article - not sure where we differ.
Thanks!
Perhaps, but Revelation didn’t use roman numerals, it used greek numerals, which are a decimal system that uses greek letters instead of distinct numeric characters. You can express any value in greek numerals, just like with our own decimal system.
“Any degree of Preterism is blasphemous unBiblical nonsense from hell, imho”
No, not really. Every Christian agrees SOME prophecies have been fulfilled. Technically that makes us all “partial preterists” to some degree or another. If you believe the OT prophecies of the Messiah were fulfilled in Jesus, then you are a “preterist” as concerns those prophecies.
We just normally reserve the term for those people who believe prophecies are fulfilled that most other Christians don’t believe have been fulfilled.
And in regards to dispensationalism...
Every christian is dispensational.
Do you believe we are in the Garden of Eden?
Do you believe we are part of the historical nation of Israel?
Do you believe we are now in heaven?
If you do not, you recognize God’s history is divided into dispensations.
I disagree with the term “second coming”. What is the source for such a term? Jesus came in Judgement at the destruction of the Temple and the Jewish Nation. How can anyone disagree with that? As for the resurrection, Paul says that we will have a heavenly body, whatever that means I’m sure we will find out. And I am sure Jesus will come again at the end of this age, just like He did at the end of the last age. I do not see much to disagree about - but I am very interested.
Thanks!
The book of Revelation was written in 91 AD.
That is by the testimony of Polycarp, who was the disciple of John.
Hang on till September 23 this year, and you’ll see massive proof of that.
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There is no point in communicating with a preterist.
They are dedicating their eternity to proving one of the biggest lies of all time.
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You are one truly confused dude!
The “old covenant” is now the same covenant renewed in Yeshua’s blood.
The covenant is not with any imaginary church, but with the two houses of Israel (Jer 31:31-38)
Obedience to Torah is Yehova’s righteousness.
Faith is the keeping of Yehova’s commandments. Grace is the writing on our hearts of Torah (Romans ch2, Jer ch 31)
Yeshua’s work is not complete. He has fulfilled only the spring feasts. The fall feasts remain to be completed.
Matthew 7: 21-23 reveals the words that most “christians” will hear at the great white throne.
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In is very clear in Hebrews that the old covenant has been replaced by the new covenant. The old must pass away to make room for the new. The old covenant was dependent upon obedience, and the new on faithfulness to the completed work of Jesus, who was fully obedient and fulfilled (completed) the requirements of the old covenant. The later letters of the Apostles also make it clear that anyone holding on to part of the old covenant must keep them all - but they have been fully completed in the sacrifice - once and for all - in Jesus. Living by the law is a lost cause - living by Grace is full Joy!
Please accept your place among the forgiven - just as Adam was before the first sin - in complete communion with God!
THIS I am not confused about!
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The old covenant is the new covenant.
There is no “new covenant” mentioned anywhere in the word; it is the renewed covenant with the two houses of Israel.
The difference is the renewal is with only those that love Yehova’s Torah, and thus it is written on their hearts.
You are reading the lie into the epistles: the deliberate confusion of calling the false man made ‘laws” of the pharisees the same as Torah, the Gospel of the Kingdom.
That is what Paul made stupendously clear in Hebrews 3 and 4. He states that the gospel that he preached was the same gospel that Moses preached at Sinai, made effective by belief.
Yeshua’s work is half done.
Rejecting Torah is a trip to hellfire. Truly a lost cause, since without the “garment” (righteousness of obedience to Torah) you will not find your way to the wedding feast.
The forgiveness will be at the day of trumpets, as Yeshua said in Matthew 24 and Paul said in 1Corinthians 15.
“He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved”
The lies of churchianity are eternally fatal.
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Jesus’ work is not half done - He said “It is finished!” The term “New Covenant” is used in Isaiah, Ezekiel and, of course, in Hebrews (written just before the end of the Old Covenant age).
I do not reject the Torah - but how can anyone be obedient to it without the blood sacrifice? There is no option to skip that part - no other path to justification before God. What I do accept is the sacrifice of Jesus as the once and for all propitiation for our sins. That can be the only reason not to continue the requirements of animal sacrifice.
The trap, I fear, is in believing that obedience to the law will gain us any reward - unless it is obeyed without flaw. God knew this was not possible, so he provided for the sacrifice on animals for atonement of our sins.
How can you be saved without the atonement for sins? Animal sacrifice was stopped forever in 70 AD. Jesus is the only way. He did not leave another option.
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