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500 years after the Reformation: End the schism!
National Catholic Reporter ^ | March 1, 2017 | Hans Kung

Posted on 03/01/2017 9:40:57 AM PST by ebb tide

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To: Texas Fossil

The Catholic Church has never taught that you cannot pray directly to God.


41 posted on 03/01/2017 11:54:00 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: DesertRhino

Yup its everything but dealing directly with fundamental doctrinal differences, that are not minor ones.


42 posted on 03/01/2017 12:01:24 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Red Badger

For me, with any pope, nope.


43 posted on 03/01/2017 12:02:32 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Texas Fossil
The Catholic Church has never taught that you cannot pray directly to God.

However, they have said too many times....too Jesus through Mary!

The roman catholics place their "devotion" to Mary by consecrating their whole being to her in contradiction of the Word itself.

The catholic surely seems to have to have Mary involved in some capacity when not warranted by what we have in the NT.

44 posted on 03/01/2017 12:11:32 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

LOL! Too many Popes starting new Churches. There was only one Peter.


45 posted on 03/01/2017 12:13:01 PM PST by ex-snook (The one true God sent Jesus here to show us the way.)
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To: ebb tide

Ecumenism requires heresy, no matter how and where it manifests.


46 posted on 03/01/2017 12:28:10 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: mountn man

I have always held thus... yet I find myself without a congregation.

All the ones I know either embrace the functional heresies of Feminism and/or Homoeroticism and/or Liberation Theology, or are so fundamentally at odds with what I believe, that I cannot participate honestly and openly.

I have been in ministry in two denominations in the past. Now I am alone.


47 posted on 03/01/2017 12:34:10 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: chuckles

your post #37 shows that you are certainly no expert in proper interpretation!!!!


48 posted on 03/01/2017 12:48:15 PM PST by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!!!!)
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To: terycarl
your post #37 shows that you are certainly no expert in proper interpretation!!!!

You mean like this....

I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery (Matt 19:9 NABRE).

49 posted on 03/01/2017 1:12:01 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
Per Wikipedia:

In 1962 [Hans Kung] was appointed peritus by Pope John XXIII, serving as an expert theological advisor to members of the Second Vatican Council until its conclusion in 1965.

Color me shocked.

50 posted on 03/01/2017 3:43:36 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: ebb tide

We should ask ourselves, why is it at this particular time in history, Rome has a communist (some would soften it to Marxist or socialist) Pope? and why is he making a pitch for a one world religion at this particular time in history, embracing Jews, Muslims, Hindu’s, and, now he’s making a push to include even Protestants (he even says Muslims are Christian, and saved)?

You don’t suppose it has anything to do with the falling away, or apostasia, Paul warned us about that would usher in the man of sin, or antichrist (2 Thess. 2:3,4)?


51 posted on 03/01/2017 3:50:00 PM PST by sasportas
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To: terycarl

What about it is interpreted wrong? Calling names is just admitting failure. Take and issue and define where it’s wrong.


52 posted on 03/01/2017 3:55:13 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Gamecock
I don't know enough about Barth to comment.

Well, he didn't believe that the Scriptures were the word of God, he believed in Universal atonement, that the creation story was a myth, he had a Romanist view of justification, his political views devolved to Stalinism, or at least a defense of Stalin;

My guess is that he would have been a big fan of the current Pope.

For additional reading, you might try http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=147 There is a brief discussion on the Puritan Board that I didn't find particularly helpful but for the link to the Trinity Foundation item above.

53 posted on 03/01/2017 4:08:06 PM PST by PAR35
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To: DesertRhino

**“reconciliation” always seems to mean we will get to be Roman Catholic.**

You are correct.


54 posted on 03/01/2017 4:14:44 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: PAR35

Thanks for the feedback!

I know some neo-Calvinists are quite enamored with him, but just never checked in to the whole deal.


55 posted on 03/01/2017 4:19:04 PM PST by Gamecock (Twitter: What a real democracy looks like.)
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To: Gamecock

Kind of reminds me of some of the FV folks. Words that he used don’t necessarily have their common meaning, so even when he sounds orthodox, keep your hand on your wallet.

And his views morphed over time, so what he wrote at one point in time may well not jive with what he wrote at another point in his life.

In any event, view his teachings with suspicion, and watch out for folks who embrace him. There are a lot of folks who are much more beneficial to read unless, perhaps, you are in a ‘must publish’ academic setting.


56 posted on 03/01/2017 4:29:35 PM PST by PAR35
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To: ealgeone; Texas Fossil

Ealgeone cannot be trusted on the subject of Catholicism.

Instead of asking honest questions, he lards his questions with lies.

He often repeats the lie that Catholics worship Mary.


57 posted on 03/01/2017 7:31:27 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: Arthur McGowan

It is up to each person to decide what they have faith in. We all should choose wisely.

It is very foolish to pretend to force others to accept your own beliefs.

There are things in life that I have observed that cannot be explained by science or logic. Some of those things have impacted my faith. Some never see such things, it is hard to convey to them that the unexplained is still real.


58 posted on 03/01/2017 7:38:43 PM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil
We all should choose wisely.

If all chose wisely, all would be Catholics.

59 posted on 03/01/2017 7:53:26 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

See, my point exactly.

You did not choose wisely.


60 posted on 03/01/2017 7:55:44 PM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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