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To: Fantasywriter

I wasn’t talking about Rome’s role in Christian worship, which is a new topic you’re introducing. But John 4 (which I just taught a Bible study on last week) doesn’t say “physical location is no longer a factor”—what Jesus does say there about physical locations simply indicates the center of worship will no longer be on Mt. Gezirim (the Samartian center of worship under discussion) or Mt. Zion—though it’s correct that Jesus places a greater emphasis on the spiritual worship there, foreshadowing the coming of the Holy Spirit and the fact that Christians are temples of the Holy Spirit. But as for the role Rome would play in Christian worship, Jesus does allude to it in his prophecy about the destruction of the Jerusalem temple (building on Daniel’s discussion of the fourth beast which also referenced Rome being conquered by the Messiah), and there is also an emphasis on Paul’s progress towards Rome in Acts, in addition to the references to Rome in Revelation; plus we have the witness of the 1st-century Roman bishop Clement of Rome and of Ireaneus, among others.


28 posted on 04/29/2017 11:32:54 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

None of your sources alluding to Rome change the words of Christ. Yes, physical location is the subject; that is specifically what the Samaritan woman asked about. Jesus doesn’t even leave the door open to that idea. Rather, He indicates that the state of the heart has superceded physical location. From now on, worshipping “in spirit and truth,” is the standard.

Any and all sources must defer to Christ. It’s His church, and He alone gets to specify where—or more importantly how—’the assembly,’ [superior translation] is to worship.


30 posted on 04/29/2017 11:42:06 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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