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To: Fedora
The commandment not to kill prohibits that. There is no commandment, "Thou shalt not ask saints to pray for you." That is a man-made prohibition with no Scriptural authority behind it.

There is no command to pray to saints. That is a man made teaching with no Scriptural authority behind it.

Commands to us about prayer as ALWAYS directing us to pray to GOD.

Never, anywhere in Scripture, are we commanded to pray to anyone else, ever.

Prayer Matthew 6:7-15 “And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. Pray then like this:

Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Luke 11:1-13 Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” And he said to them, “When you pray, say:

“Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread, and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.”

And he said to them, “Which of you who has a friend will go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves, for a friend of mine has arrived on a journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; and he will answer from within, ‘Do not bother me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed. I cannot get up and give you anything’? I tell you, though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his impudence he will rise and give him whatever he needs.

And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

Luke 18:1-8 And he told them a parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart. He said, “In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor respected man. And there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, ‘Give me justice against my adversary.’ For a while he refused, but afterward he said to himself, ‘Though I neither fear God nor respect man, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will give her justice, so that she will not beat me down by her continual coming.’”

And the Lord said, “Hear what the unrighteous judge says. And will not God give justice to his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them? I tell you, he will give justice to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?”

John 14:12-14 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

1 John 5:14-15 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

Hebrews 4:14-16 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

So why pray to saints or Mary?

Don't you think God will answer Himself as He promised He would?

Do you not trust Him to hold to His word and do as He promised?

566 posted on 05/13/2017 8:45:58 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
So why pray to saints or Mary?

Don't you think God will answer Himself as He promised He would?

Do you not trust Him to hold to His word and do as He promised?

I trust God's promises, but I'm not interpreting his promises the way you are. If the above argument were a decisive argument against praying to saints or Mary, it would also be an argument against ever asking another human being to pray for us; yet we see Paul request prayers all the time from the recipients of his letters. Likewise James says, "Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective." James links prayer efficacy to the righteousness of the one praying, and to the authority of church leaders in the case of the elders praying over the sick. The saints are more righteous and more authoritative than me, so I welcome their prayers. I also welcome when God answers my prayers that are directed directly to Him, which He often does. But He doesn't promise He's always going to answer every prayer "yes" instantly regardless of conditions. Sometimes God wants us to persist in prayer for prolonged periods ("This kind can come out by nothing but prayer and fasting"--Matthew 17:21), and sometimes He denies our requests. We see Jesus praying all night in Luke 6:12 before choosing his Apostles, which He wouldn't need to do if prayer always required merely making a simple short request. And we see the Father denying Jesus' prayer to take the cup from Him in Luke 22:42. Was God contradicting 1 John 5:15 by denying Jesus' prayer request there? I think not.

582 posted on 05/21/2017 4:56:19 AM PDT by Fedora
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