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To: Elsie
"Thou shalt ask dead people, we now call saints, to pray for you." This is a Rome madeup teaching with no Scriptural authority behind it.

All the Middle Eastern, North African, and Eastern churches with roots in antiquity pray to saints, too, as did Jews to OT saints in late Judaism--hard to account for if Rome made it up. And I have already cited Scriptural references to the practice in Hebrews and Revelation.

575 posted on 05/21/2017 2:11:11 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Not in the earliest centuries -- the first two, at least.

Do not confuse prayers about, and concerning the dead with prayers addressed TO those same.

Are there Jewish sources to back that up? Referencing a handful of articles written in German doesn't quite cut the mustard.

Your arguments are exceeding flimsy. 'Tis a pity you can't see it. Then again, it appears to me you don't want to see it, since the aim is to justify and protect theological developments -- or else -- one would need contemplate that the Latin Church is not the center of OTC®, and over the centuries (along with most any other ekklesia) has allowed various ill-founded theological considerations to become part-and-parcel of their own theological outlooks.

601 posted on 05/21/2017 6:49:37 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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