[Fedora]

Go find me an offical Catholic document that teaches the worship of Mary. There is no redefinition of "worship" involved. The distinction between λατρεία, δουλεία, and ὑπέρδουλεία is nothing new.

Jesus isn't on earth, either. Are you claiming he therefore isn't an "actual person"?

The Rosary was originally prayed using the Psalms--no "Hail Mary" involved.

[ealgeone]

Go find me an offical Catholic document that teaches the worship of Mary.

There will not be one of course. Roman Catholicism would never admit what is actually practiced by its adherents.

Jesus isn't on earth, either. Are you claiming he therefore isn't an "actual person"?

The difference being we have these words from Christ.

…13And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. John 14:13 NASB

You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit--fruit that will remain--so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. John 15:16 NASB

He is the Creator....it's ok to pray to the Creator...not the created.

The Rosary was originally prayed using the Psalms--no "Hail Mary" involved.

Which further illustrates how Roman Catholicism has corrupted praying to God only. All of the prayer in Psalm 150 is directed to God.

The current Rosary has shifted the emphasis of prayer to God to prayers to Mary.

[daniel1212]

Go find me an offical Catholic document that teaches the worship of Mary. There is no redefinition of "worship" involved. The distinction between λατρεία, δουλεία, and ὑπέρδουλεία is nothing new.

Which is playing word games, as there is more than one word which can be used for worship , with the manner of denoting what it us. ..

One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them

Which manner of adulation would constitute worship in Scripture , yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

Caths should only do (and I should do more of) what Mary and every believer in Scripture did in praying to Heaven, which was to pray directly to the Lord, not saintly secretaries. But they must truly become born again for that.

Instead, Caths basically say,

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes... (Jeremiah 44:16-17)

[Elsie]

Go find me an offical Catholic document that teaches the worship of Mary.

AS soon as YOU produce one where ROME tells it's members NOT to 'worship' her!

[Elsie]

The Rosary was originally prayed using the Psalms--no "Hail Mary" involved.

Golly!

Another CHANGE from the same church that Jesus built!