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To: fishtank

I always wondered with the creationists? If you’re right then why is god trying to fool us? And if god did indeed set the fossil record as it is all at once, what’s makes you think YOU can suss him out?

PS I’m an atheist, I find this whole argument most interesting. I’ve studied evolutionary bio and find the theory of evolution simply as the best we know that fits the evidence. Like gravity, there could be a graviton out there that changes our theory but we can only make decisions based on the best evidence we have.


18 posted on 06/09/2017 11:30:03 AM PDT by Raymann
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To: Raymann

Post the transitional fossils, atheist. I had no idea how many atheists were on the forum.


29 posted on 06/09/2017 11:39:26 AM PDT by subterfuge (Build the damn wall...)
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To: Raymann

There is no “Truth” with a capital “T” in science. All science can do is show us for a time what may be happening until we find a better theory. Only math contains a grain of truth and math could not exist without design.

Atheism is totally irrational since they “think” that everything comes from nothing and chaos. All the Design in Nature proves a Designer, at least. Whether you “believe” in a Deity is the key to Objective Truth (Our Constitution)——which is the most rational way of truly thinking and the ONLY moral way to perceive a just earth for humans.

Christianity is the most ethical system of any theology or philosophy. Only the Christian worldview created the Age of Reason and the Renaissance and the US Constitution. No other belief system has free will and Natural Law Theory as its basis—that of logic and reason and individualism (what makes us human and gives us dignity).

There is no more “perfect” system of morality since you can never use another person as a Means to an End in true Christianity. Darwinian “ethics” is removal from rationality and totally inhumane-—and is pragmatic-—the survival of the fittest where the individuals can be killed, enslaved or sodomized and it is “good” if the State benefits.


42 posted on 06/09/2017 11:59:41 AM PDT by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: Raymann
I always wondered with the creationists? If you’re right then why is god trying to fool us? And if god did indeed set the fossil record as it is all at once, what’s makes you think YOU can suss him out?
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God did create everything in a complete form. Adam and Eve were created as adults; Trees, plants, animals were created at the age that they could “bear fruit”. Which makes perfect sense. (without the chicken, you can't have the egg)

He did not create an “old earth” to fool us, the earth has just gotten older since creation, so of course there are fossils. I do believe the truth of His Word, that man is a God-created being.

There are those who prefer to think they are an evolution of apes. This makes no sense at all to me. If apes had evolved into humans then all apes should have evolved, but haven't.

Then there is the question of where did apes come from? All of the millions of living things in this world crawled out of primordial ooze and self-created the world and all within it - including apes?

Well, where did the primordial ooze come from?

48 posted on 06/09/2017 12:06:54 PM PDT by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: Raymann
" I’ve studied evolutionary bio and find the theory of evolution simply as the best we know that fits the evidence"

Whether or not you accept it as such, you are making a statement of "faith".

And concerning evidence - what evidence do we have that life can appear spontaneously? Even Hawking gives this little credence:

We do not know how DNA molecules first appeared. The chances against a DNA molecule arising by random fluctuations are very small. Some people have therefore suggested that life came to Earth from elsewhere, and that there are seeds of life floating round in the galaxy. However, it seems unlikely that DNA could survive for long in the radiation in space.
http://www.hawking.org.uk/life-in-the-universe.html

It's almost humorous how this point is give such short shrift; in essence he simply kicks the can down the cosmological road.

Which leaves us where? If it is "unlikely" that life can spontaneously generate, we must consider the possibility that life was generated intentionally.

Logically (reasonably) we must then consider the possibility of a Creator.

50 posted on 06/09/2017 12:08:29 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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