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To: imardmd1; hinckley buzzard; Phinneous
But Jesus never overturned the observance of the Sabbath.

Oh?

"And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him,
because he had done these things on the sabbath day
But Jesus answered them,
My Father worketh hitherto, and I work
.
  Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God" (Jn. 5:16-18 AV).

What do you make of that, FRiend? 

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It's not work if it is love. So, it's a good thing God doesn't stop loving people, especially on the Sabbath. Because if it were work, He wouldn't be able to lift a finger.

The Messiah does not violate the Sabbath. And neither does he claim to be God. The NT is chock full of the religious Establishment's lack of insight and understanding. As it was then, so it is today. The more some folks are put in their place, the more they are offended. Kind of like President Trump vs. the political Establishment and its lockstep media.

If the Messiah believed in the trinity doctrine, for example, he wouldn't even recognize himself. Makes perfect sense actually, because he could be sitting in a church pew week after week, year after year, yet himself go wholly unrecognized by those who ostensibly believe in him.

"Trump". That's the very definition of a flipped over story.

It's a weird little world out there..

81 posted on 06/28/2017 6:12:39 AM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Ezekiel
It's not work if it is love.

"If" is a big word. God can love and hate at the same time. He hates Sin as a human's master, and sinning as its outcome. Jesus came to fulfill the Law, obtain forgiveness of sins, and fight Satan. That's work, and none of them stop on Shabbas.

And neither does he claim to be God.

No? Isaiah, prompted by Jehovah prophesied to Israel, to the House of David (one of hundreds in the Bible):

"Therefore the Lord1 himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin2 shall conceive,
and bear a son3, and shall call his name Immanuel4" (Isa 7:14 AV).
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Notes:
1 Adonai (used as a proper name of God only in Tanakh)
2 LXX παρθένος (parthenos, noun, feminine, truly virgin, )
3 not "a son," but "Son" as proper title of "The Only Begotten of God the Father"
4 Immanuel; transliterated from Hebrew, and into Greek LXX as "Εμμανουηλ"

The preparation for the sign, the birth of (Beloved) Son, came about four hundred and forty-five years later to Joseph of Nazareth, a son of David:

"Behold, aThe virgin2 shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son3, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, TheGod with us5" (Mt. 1:23 AV).

Notes:
  2 as above, but articulate, specifies one particular virgin prophesied; translated should be "The Virgin" as a proper noun; compares to Note 2 above
3 anarthrous, "Son" as title, a proper noun; compares to Note 3 above
4 Emmanuel transliterated from the TR Greek εμμανουηλ, anarthrous, also a title of The Son; compare with note 4 above
5 translation of the Hebrew; "God" is articulate, should be "The God" referring to Jehovah; note "with us"

So the angel instructed for Joseph to marry the pregnant Mary, his Espoused, still physically virgin, and give the baby the Hebrew title Emmanuel, and for the child's name to be Jesus (= Savior in Hebrew). But to Mary, the angel also said:

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God6" (Lk. 1:35 AV).

  Note 6: both "son" and "god" are anarthrous, the words then demonstrate qualities, thus the words consist of a title "God's Son"

Mary is told that her firstborn son's title shall be "Son of God."

At the very beginning of His public ministry, John Baptizer and other men who were to become His disciples identified Him as "God's Son":

"And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God" (Jn. 1:34 AV; both "son" and "god" are articulated).

"Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel" (Jn. 1:49 AV).

Regarding the religious leaders of the day:

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was,

I AM "

(Jn. 8:58 AV). 

Before the Sanhedrin, trying Him for a capital offense:

"Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am" (Lk. 22:70 AV). At the Cross:

  "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost" (Lk. 23:46 AV).

  "And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God" (Mk.15:39 AV; cf Mt 27:54).

Before His ascension, He commissioned the eleven disciples, delegating His authority, and said:

". . . lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world" (Mt. 28:20c,d,e AV). He fulfilled and continued the promise of Isaiah and Gabriel, He is Emmanuel, God with us. He commended the disciples thus: I am with youall, unto the end of this eon.

Is Jesus of Nazareth, born of Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, died on the Cross for us, raised for our justification, ascended to Heaven to obtain reconciliation, sitting at the right hand of the Father--is He God? YES!

Delegating His authority as the highest in Heaven and on Earth: ". . . baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: . . ." (Mt. 28:19 AV). One Name, three manifestations, of the same indivisible substance, and the Name that includes them all as the UniPlural Godhead is:

יהוה אלהים

Jehovah Elohim

The LORD God

132 posted on 06/29/2017 11:11:04 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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