Posted on 07/26/2017 10:35:48 AM PDT by ebb tide
The priest standards of training in thought, theology and Bible are very low, as has been demonstrated on FR and by a review of catholic seminary curriculum required courses.
Jesus “performs” every Mass.
Hi, aMPU my friend.
My parish has Latin Mass just two Sundays a month. Singing with the choir, I find it moves me on so many levels, because of its reverence, majesty and tranquility.
Note to both Catholics and non-Catholics who may not know this: the text of the Tridentine Mass (one that was so many centuries-in-the-making, and finally adopted as the norm for the West at 16th century Trent) is a daisy-chain of Scripture all through: there's scarcely a word in it that's not Scripture.
That's why there's no dichotomy between being "bound together by Christ" (which is what I wish for ALL of us without exception) --- and the Latin Mass. It's not as if it were an either-or proposition.
Some Protestants may understand if I compare it to a preference for the KJV. It embodies a kingly dignity; so it appeals to a certain inner yearning to give God His own, in the most fitting form we can.
Blessings to all who read these words.
Not that this is all "of the essence." I doubt the first Pope, Peter the Fisherman, was a University of Galilee grad.
I'm glad to be able to explain that to you.
D’accordo.
“Not that this is all “of the essence.” I doubt the first Pope, Peter the Fisherman, was a University of Galilee grad”
He grew up knowing the Biblical languages and had The Greatest Teacher the world has ever known - 24/7 for 3 years.
” These days seminary is, you could say, the minimum requirement”
More courses in the Scriptures would do them well, based on what we see here on FR.
Do you have any objective surveys or studies that indicate what you say is widely applicable to priests outside your circle?
“Tridentine Mass (one that was so many centuries-in-the-making, and finally adopted as the norm for the West at 16th century Trent) is a daisy-chain of Scripture all through: there’s scarcely a word in it that’s not Scripture.”
It is what is left out through selective choices that distorts the Gospel.
Best
Thank you, and I feel blessed.
What do you think is "left out" that "distorts the Gospel"?
Is SS not a truth necessary to salvation?
“Is SS not a truth necessary to salvation?”
Assuming your abbreviation “SS” stands for Sola Scripture, the answer is no, Belief in Sola Scriptura is not necessary for salvation.
“Sola Scriptura simply means that all truth necessary for our salvation and spiritual life is taught either explicitly or implicitly in Scripture. It is not a claim that all truth of every kind is found in Scripture.”
A person can become saved and have eternal life without understanding SS or a great many other things.
Salvation is so simple a child can entrust himself to Christ for salvation.
Best.
“What do you think is “left out” that “distorts the Gospel”?”
The mass details enough to get you to third base, but not to Home.
This has been discussed on FR for *years*
The distortion comes when you ignore the Sacred Tradition --- the continuous interpretive community bringing forth what was handed on to us by the Apostles and brought to mind afresh by the Holy Spirit, Who --- by Christ's promise --- reminds us of all He taught us.
To be frank, distortion is easy enough for anybody, anywhere. That is why reverent prayer and a certain inward trembling is necessary, I think. We need to ask God's grace to get past our own malformations and get things right from His perspective. We should "do theology" on our knees.
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Red HerringYou assume a representative selection cannot be made.
The distortion comes when you ignore the Sacred Tradition --- the continuous interpretive community bringing forth what was handed on to us by the Apostles and brought to mind afresh by the Holy Spirit, Who --- by Christ's promise --- reminds us of all He taught us.
Assuming the Conclusion
Argument from Silence
Circular Reasoning
Psychologist's Fallacy
Wishful Thinking Fallacy
Appeal to Tradition Fallacy -
Cognitive Bias in operation -There is no proof that what exists today was handed to anyone at an earlier time.
It is presumed without proof and must be rejected for the same reason.As we discussed the first time we met, there is nothing before 100 ad to support an Apostle teaching or practicing half of the teachings of Rome. Your argument assumes it must be there somewhere.
Still, best to you FRiend.
Liturgical scholars are not exactly sure when the Roman Mass came together in the form we know. We find it pretty much intact in the earliest manuscripts (from the 6th-7th centuries if I remember right). The Mass as described by St. Augustine in the 4th century shows that certain key features were already in place in Africa. And there is some evidence that it went back all the way to the earliest liturgies in Rome: particularly the absence of an epiclesis which seems to date to a time before the theology of the Holy Ghost was completely worked out.
Basically, as far as Rome goes, the traditional Mass is the only one we have solid evidence of; there are certain disputed liturgies like the Canon of Hippolytus, but they are of questionable provenance.
Jesus was NOT in that ‘mass’ performed by pappy Francis on our border a year plus ago, attempting to meddle in our election.
But not back to the NT. More proof that Rome's claims of apostolic succession are bogus.
I did NOT “assume a representative selection cannot be made!”. Far from it!
Where’n’heck do you get this stuff, anyhow??
Please, please don’t tell me what (you think) I think.
ASK me what I think.
Please, please TELL me what YOU think. That will be more likely to be accurate, anyhow -—as well as thoughtful, and much more interesting.
Jesus is not involved in “infalliblizing” papal diplomacy, now or at any time, and that’s for sure.
But you have no warrant whatsoever to say that Jesus is not the sole High Priest and the Person who principally acts and prays at every Mass. Man unaided cannot do this thing. It is Christ alone Who offers among the gentiles, as Malachi prophesied, the pure Sacrifice.
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