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Insanity of Martin Luther
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/holiness_of_god/the-insanity-of-luther/ ^ | Published on Oct 18, 2015 | R. C. Sproul, PhD

Posted on 08/18/2017 11:50:52 AM PDT by fishtank

R. C. Sproul's popular lecture on Protestant Reformer Martin Luther.


TOPICS: Catholic; Evangelical Christian; History
KEYWORDS: insanity; luther; martinluther; reformation; sproul
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To: ebb tide

Excuse me, but boatbums was not speaking of anything else.

Enough with this side-tracking. Go back and address what was posted to you in #80.

101 posted on 08/19/2017 10:29:24 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon

My post wasn’t to boatbums.

It was to you and regarding Vatican Council II.


102 posted on 08/19/2017 10:31:33 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlueDragon
Doing so is being more "like" Martin Luther than many appear to realize -- wanting to return to original teaching and traditions.

I consider both Luther and Bergoglio in the same light.

103 posted on 08/19/2017 10:35:00 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: fishtank

Rev 17
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.


I have an idea that both the Catholic and Protestant Churches are in deep trouble, not to mention the people in them.

Rev 18:4
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

God would only have to tell his people to come out of something they thought was right.


104 posted on 08/19/2017 10:40:42 AM PDT by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain words, please don`t preach it to me.)
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To: BlueDragon
Luther himself had attempted to look upon what had more originally been within the wider more truly universal (thus actually 'catholic' as active verb) Church from the barest first beginnings of the Church.

Yeah, right.

"We must remove the Decalogue out of sight and heart."Martin Luther

105 posted on 08/19/2017 10:46:51 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlueDragon; boatbums
Luther's Own Statements
106 posted on 08/19/2017 10:57:31 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlueDragon; boatbums
Thus, whereas Christ preaches hatred of every sin, Luther pro- claims indifference towards every kind of sin, with the only ex- ception of unbelief.

5. Nine years later Luther's language is considerably bolder. In a letter to Jerome Weiler, dated November 6th, 1530, he points out the way of overcoming temptations to despondency "We must," he says, "occasionally indulge more freely in drink, play, jest, and we must even commit some sin out of hatred and contempt of the Devil, in order not to allow him to trouble our conscience about very trifling matters, otherwise we shall be overcome, if we are too anxiously careful not to sin. ... I wish I could lay my hands on some signal kind of sin, just to mock the Devil, that he may understand that I neither acknowledge nor am conscious of any sin.

107 posted on 08/19/2017 11:07:31 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
It is plain to me that you do not understand what Luther was saying. Perhaps better put -- what he was driving at -- why he was saying it -- what he was placing as being of greater importance over and above letter-of-law.

Badly out-of-context mangled quotes (as exampled in what you attributed to being from Martin Lurther) serve no one well.

But if you simply insist upon relying upon one's own ability to sufficiently (and that means PERFECTLY without slightest error whatsoever -- including even in one's own heart) "keep" the OT commandments as given unto Moses, what use is the blood of Jesus ---then?

In Eucharist (thanksgiving) observations of "the Lord's Supper", what is it that would be consumed? Would it be Jesus's own actual flesh and blood -- as 4th Lateran and Council of Trent would have it?

Describe for me what the word "actual" means to you from those contexts.

Please -- no one else either respond to this post unless answering the question of what the word "actual" means to themselves in relation to those two Western Church (only!) Councils...

108 posted on 08/19/2017 11:11:59 AM PDT by BlueDragon (three dots added in honor of the bitter& fat know-it-all guy in Colorado...and Herb Caen, of course!)
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To: ebb tide
Go back and adequately, this time, address what was posted to you in #80. No more of this shifting to expressions of your own hatreds and implied condemnations of Luther as dodgey defense tactic.

Then tell me about the word "actual" -- what it means -- to you as that word was used in the contexts that I named.

No more games. The party is over, troll-boy.

109 posted on 08/19/2017 11:16:07 AM PDT by BlueDragon (three dots added in honor of the bitter& fat know-it-all guy in Colorado...and Herb Caen, of course!)
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To: BlueDragon

See post #106.

P.S. Thanks for your freepmail to me.


110 posted on 08/19/2017 11:16:37 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
More forum "tactic", eh?

I see no truth in you. That's just the way it is...

Goodbye, troll. You should be zotted from the pages of FR.

111 posted on 08/19/2017 11:19:29 AM PDT by BlueDragon (three dots added in honor of the bitter& fat know-it-all guy in Colorado...and Herb Caen, of course!)
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To: BlueDragon
The party is over, troll-boy.

No, the party will begin this Octobber 31, 2017. I won't be there.

112 posted on 08/19/2017 11:19:29 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlueDragon
Goodbye, troll.

Is that a promise?

113 posted on 08/19/2017 11:22:47 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlueDragon

My condemnations of Luther are not implied, they are explicate.


114 posted on 08/19/2017 11:39:43 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlueDragon

He’s already been corrected about this on this very thread....but, like poorly trained parrot, he continues to repeat using his very limited vocabulary.


115 posted on 08/19/2017 11:46:40 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
....very limited vocabulary.

Like repeatedly calling someone a "troll"?

116 posted on 08/19/2017 12:13:15 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

IIRC, I’ve never call you a troll. You however....


117 posted on 08/19/2017 1:11:30 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Never said you did. But you are quite fond of the word, “flail” and it’s derivatives.


118 posted on 08/19/2017 1:16:03 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
>>IIRC, I’ve never call you a troll. You however....<<

Never said you did. But you are quite fond of the word, “flail” and it’s derivatives.

To: ealgeone

....very limited vocabulary.

Like repeatedly calling someone a "troll"?

116 posted on 8/19/2017, 3:13:15 PM by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 115 | View Replies | Report Abuse]

You can't even string together a coherent argument without having to be corrected.

119 posted on 08/19/2017 1:22:00 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
Stringing different posts into one is disingenious.

Go ahead, pull out your dictionary, look up "disingenious".

120 posted on 08/19/2017 1:49:39 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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