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Vatican's website now posting Francis's letter to Argentine bishops on condoning adultery
Vatican.va ^ | September 5, 2016 | Pope Francis

Posted on 08/23/2017 6:40:30 PM PDT by ebb tide

Below is a Spanish to English translation of the Vatican's website:

https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/es/letters/2016/documents/papa-francesco_20160905_regione-pastorale-buenos-aires.html


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: adultery; francischurch; heresy
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Appears that Francis is no longer a stealth heretic; he's an overt one.
1 posted on 08/23/2017 6:40:30 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

You’re linking to Spanish version. Where’s English?


2 posted on 08/23/2017 6:45:46 PM PDT by qwertyz
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Here’s the correct link for the English translation:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fw2.vatican.va%2Fcontent%2Ffrancesco%2Fes%2Fletters%2F2016%2Fdocuments%2Fpapa-francesco_20160905_regione-pastorale-buenos-aires.html&edit-text=


3 posted on 08/23/2017 6:46:02 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

He jumped the shark quite some time ago.


4 posted on 08/23/2017 6:48:09 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: ebb tide

Self-censored.


5 posted on 08/23/2017 6:49:58 PM PDT by Hieronymus (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton)
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To: ebb tide

The manchurian pope.

destroying the cathloic church from within.


6 posted on 08/23/2017 6:55:12 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (Liberals are pulling jenga pieces out of western civilization, how long before it all falls?)
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To: ebb tide

There is NOTHING I enjoy ignoring more than posts about pope francis.


7 posted on 08/23/2017 6:57:46 PM PDT by FrankR (Without the hearts and minds...politicians have NOTHING.)
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To: Hieronymus

Exactly!

Notice that the Vatican is only posting the website in Bergoglio’s native tongue.

Just a trial balloon, until they decide to either post in other major languages or to remove it completely.


8 posted on 08/23/2017 7:00:24 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

I remember the good old days when “Is the pope Catholic?” was an obvious rhetorical question.


9 posted on 08/23/2017 7:04:27 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ebb tide

Please help me understand:

Is this condoning

1: Consensual sex between unmarried people,
2: Sex outside what Protestants would generally call marriage, i.e. before marriage or after divorce,
3: Sex with a 3d party, outside an intact Catholic marriage, using the Protestant view of marriage here, i.e. married and not divorced,
4: Sex with 3d parties, involving Catholics who are civilly divorced.

Help this Presbyterian understand, please.

Thank you.


10 posted on 08/23/2017 7:05:24 PM PDT by Strac6 ("Mrs. Strac, Pilatus, and Sig Sauer: All the fun things in my life are Swiss!")
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To: Strac6

It condones #2 and #3, which overlap with regards to divorce.

But the interim report (approved by Pope Francis) of Amoris Laetitiae winked at both pre-marital sex and homosexual sex, but those sins did not make the final cut in the final exhortation.


11 posted on 08/23/2017 7:18:42 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Strac6
"Help this Presbyterian understand, please."

It is simple enough. This is all about assuring that a re-married couple who sincerely wish to return to (or join) the church is not "anathemized" by the congregation. With proper counseling, such couples are to be welcomed into all Church activities EXCEPT reception of the Eucharist. They may receive the Eucharist ONLY if they do not engage in "conjugal relations" and live "as brother and sister".

Nothing fundamental about the church is changed.

12 posted on 08/23/2017 7:27:23 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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Nothing fundamental about the church is changed.

B.S. "Not engaging in conjugal relations" is now out the window in Francis' new "mercy church".

13 posted on 08/23/2017 7:31:34 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Wonder Warthog; ebb tide

Thank you both very much.


14 posted on 08/23/2017 7:39:25 PM PDT by Strac6 ("Mrs. Strac, Pilatus, and Sig Sauer: All the fun things in my life are Swiss!")
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To: Strac6

Sex in any of these examples preclude reception of Holy Communion.

Outside of the valid marriage, sex with any other is always a mortal sin. No one may receive in a state of mortal sin.

As for the Catholic who is legally divorced, he or she may receive Holy Communion.

However, the divorced Catholic must beg an Annulment from the Church to marry again.

Without Annulment by the Church the marital act of a second marriage would be adulterous and would preclude receiving Holy Communion. Unless, they agreed to live as brother and sister, chaste.

( A Catholic divorced person without Annulment could not marry again inside the Catholic Church, but must obtain a civil marriage outside the Church.)


15 posted on 08/23/2017 7:45:27 PM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Education/Academia are the farm team for more Marxists coming... infinitum.)
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To: ebb tide

Is there a translation of the “application of chapter 8” document from the Argentine bishops, the one that he says is the only correct interpretation?


16 posted on 08/23/2017 7:48:25 PM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: Campion

Yes. It’s on the same website, same link, just below Francis’ approval of it.


17 posted on 08/23/2017 7:53:49 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Campion

I was referring to the link in post #3.


18 posted on 08/23/2017 8:02:58 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Strac6; Wonder Warthog

A divorced Catholic without an Annulment longs for Eucharist in their second civil marriage. It has nothing officially to do with the mood of the Church folks.

Catholic marriage is a Sacrament. Like Baptism. It can not be done twice. God has in both cases has come down upon us, in
our consent, done His work and joined His children together in Him, by way of the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony.

Improper or illicit conditions are miniscule, approximately only three, (example: entering into marriage against one’s will, by force, or impairment.) An Annulment nullifies the marriage. It was not sacramental under this or that *unholy* condition, when it occurred.


19 posted on 08/23/2017 8:13:56 PM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Education/Academia are the farm team for more Marxists coming... infinitum.)
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To: RitaOK

...Catholic marriage is a Sacrament. Like Baptism. It can not be done twice.

....Except if ones passes away...Marriage ends if one spouse dies. So it isn’t exactly a one time only sacrament.


20 posted on 08/23/2017 8:53:58 PM PDT by Bayard
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