This might be about the only thing I agree with him about.
Posted on 11/03/2017 7:30:50 AM PDT by detective
Pope Francis has requested that Roman Catholic priests be given the right to get married.
The request applies to priests in Brazil, and is on the agenda for an upcoming synod (church council) in the Amazon region.
The controversial move would address the critical shortage of men joining the priesthood
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I think it’s a mistranslation. So far as I know, this would mean ordaining men who were already married (such as catechists, deacons, etc.) in these remote areas, not “allowing priests to marry.”
However, I think it’s a mistake in any case. These men will not be educated at all, beyond whatever rudimentary knowledge they have as catechists, they will be able to celebrate mass but not do anything else (confession, for example) and will basically be bringing back a horrible older model, the so-called “mass priest” who was one of the sources of clerical scandal in the Middle Ages.
Second Lateran Council held in 1139, when a rule was approved forbidding priests to marry.
I never know Catholic history started in 1139...concerning priests marrying...
I still think we (the Catholic Church) should follow the model of Christ. Was he married? No!
He is married, that is , to the Church.
The Eastern Rites do allow for married priests. Also the Anglican Rite as well.
Peter the Roman.
“... can’t hurt the body of Christ and the RCC faithful...”
I guess there are pro’s and neg’s if one is to look at the issue. The pro would mean more priests in a time period that there aren’t a lot (will this apply to nuns as well?) However, I can see a whole lot of mess... marriage to a man who is on call for every funeral, wedding, baptism, last rites etc... would be difficult for any spouse. Add a child or children to the mix.. what happens if they divorce? The father is suppose to pay child support based on what? His salary is from church givings so the church would be responsible? That being said, I know two good men who felt they may have had the calling to become a priest; however, they also felt a calling to marry and be a Dad. With one of them... I think if he loses his wife first (and his kids are grown), he may then become a priest.
Great news!
Scripture never mentions any requirement to be single.
Of course, there are no popes nor priests as NT church offices... so there’s that too.
Priests were not forbidden to marry until the Second Lateran Council held in 1139.
We forgive you for not knowing that, since it happened a teensy bit before your time. Or before the discovery of the Americas.
Finally the traitor in the Vatican has come up with something that I can support. Hopefully, it will shrink the universe of homosexuals and pedophiles in the priesthood.
——Was Peter married?——
I guess that depends on sola scripture or traditions/ S
“this particular pope has a less than stellar record of enforcing Church doctrine as it is.”
I did not want to focus the discussion on Pope Francis. I have been very disappointed in him.
I wanted to see what people thought of priests marrying. In the early church most priests were married. I have read that while there were calls for celibacy most priests were actually married in the middle ages.
One of Martin Luther’s objections to the church was that celibacy was contrary to nature. It is said that this was one of the reasons for the popularity of the Reformation.
http://www.lutheranlayman.com/2015/07/martin-luther-celibacy-is-contrary-to.html
Seriously?
Seems like lots of non Catholic ministers and clergy can handle all your concerns...
I think you are incorrect. St. Peter, the apostles and the early priests were married men. I have read that records from the middle ages show that the vast majority of Catholic priests were married.
And this is where the history gets complicated:
1) While the Apostles were married (most, John was not), their wives are conspicuously absent in the Scriptures, including Peter's wife. Were their wives deceased? Were they living continently (abstaining from marital relations)? Scripture is silent -- this is unhelpful in saying what priests should be allowed to do.
2) In the middle ages, there were many married clergy, especially in modern-day France and England. It was a custom that had arisen over centuries, but the custom was a corruption of the earlier practice, namely that from the earliest centuries married clergy were to maintain strict continence if their wives lived with them at all. The more common practice of the earliest centuries was that those wives of clerics were put into monasteries of nuns; by the middle ages, it had corrupted to clergy and wives living more uxoris, whether married before ordination or after. There was a great deal of strife involved with the Gregorian Reform ending those corrupted customs. So yes, the records say it... but those who were allowed weren't living "in marriages" as you might think, and those who were living "in marriages" as you think weren't allowed to do so.
This might be about the only thing I agree with him about.
It's a lot older than that. A synod in Spain in the early 4th Century said the same thing.
Sorry, but that would not have been a picture of Jesus Christ, the High Priest.
He is our model for the priesthood.
Well he had a mother-in-law as proof. Jesus healed her.
Could it be that the Eastern Churches are simply faithful to the scriptures?
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