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To: metmom
Book, chapter, and verses, please.

Glad you've asked.

Many people put the Mother of Jesus down as often as they can, thinking that by degrading her they are somehow building up Jesus.  They say things like "Mary is dead and can't help you", "Mary was just an incubator for Jesus", "Jesus put his mother down by calling her "Woman, and "If Mary had refused Gabriel, then God would have just picked someone else".  All of that kind of talk is crazy, but they do it because they think that Catholics worship Mary as a goddess, and by putting her down, they are showing Catholics that Jesus is #1.  How many people would like it if you said - "I love you, but I really can't stand your mother".  And how many people regularly put down their own mother to reinforce the fact that their Dad is #1?  No one.  Jesus called her "Woman" all of the time to let us all know that she is the new Eve (Adam named his mate "Woman") who's yes to Gabriel overcame Eve's yes to lucifer.

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Most of the time in the Bible, God chooses to do His work through a human, whether it's Moses, Jacob, Joseph of the Old Testament, or one of the Prophets like Isaiah or Elisha. It's no different with Mary. God allowed salvation in the person of Jesus Christ to enter into the world through Mary, even though he could have just appeared all on his own. In like manner, it shows great humility on our part to approach Jesus in the exact same way that He approached us - Through Mary.  After all, if Jesus was obedient to Mary for 30 years of his life here on earth, shouldn't we imitate Him in that respect?   If Mary was good enough for Jesus, who are we to say that she isn't good enough for us?  Jesus Himself said that "No servant is greater than His Master".

If one is lost and needs to get somewhere, the best thing to do is to find someone who knows the way better than anyone else.  Most of mankind is lost, and needs to find Jesus. Mary is the one person who knows the way better than anyone else, because she and Jesus shared the same body for 9 months, Jesus was subject to her for 30 years, they probably even look alike, and they are of one accord.  Getting close to Mary is the fastest and best way to get close to Jesus.  It's pure folly to even think that by getting close to Mary you are somehow getting farther away from Jesus.  Jesus got his sacred Body and his precious Blood from MARY!

Catholics never have worshiped Mary as a goddess, but we do recognize that her soul, like every other soul ever made, is very much alive. People who say that Mary is dead sound more like atheists than like Christians. Mary says that her soul "magnifies the Lord", which makes Jesus clearer, more in focus, and larger.  That's a great lens to be looking at Jesus through.    According to Gabriel, Mary was full of grace before the incarnation of Jesus, which indicates that Mary was part of the heavenly plan all along, not a random choice.

Mary is the daughter of God the Father, the bride of the Holy Spirit, and the mother of Jesus.  That would make it almost blasphemous to put her down on every occasion. As Gabriel said, in a message from God, "Hail Mary!"  Catholics agree wholeheartedly with Gabriel! 

Here are some scripture quotes that refer to the Mother of God.

At enmity with satan

Genesis 3:15: I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

Christ will be born of a virgin

Isaiah 7:14:Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Full of Grace before the incarnation

Luke 1:26-28:in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth,  to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.  And he came to her and said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!"

Mary sanctifies the greatest man (John the Baptist) while he is still in the womb

Luke 1:15:for he will be great before the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink,  and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

Luke 1:41:And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit

Mary's Blessed Fruit

Luke 1:42:and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!

Luke 6:43-44: For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit; for each tree is known by its own fruit. For figs are not gathered from thorns, nor are grapes picked from a bramble bush.

Mary is the Mother of God

Luke 1:43:And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Mary's need of a savior

Luke 1:47: and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,

Most Blessed Woman of all time

Luke 1:48: for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden.  For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed;

What God has done for her

Luke 1:49: for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.

Mary's sufferings united with Jesus'

Luke 2:34-35:and Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother, "Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign that is spoken against  (and a sword will pierce through your own soul also), that thoughts out of many hearts may be revealed."

Mary's total obedience to God more important than her motherhood

Luke 11:27-28:As he said this, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, "Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts that you sucked!"  But he said, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!"

Mary's role in intercession with Jesus

John 2:3-5:When the wine failed, the mother of Jesus said to him, "They have no wine."  And Jesus said to her, "O woman, what have you to do with me? My hour has not yet come."  His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you.

Mary is our Mother

John 19:26-27: When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son!"  Then he said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.

Revelation 12:17:Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

Mary and Jesus are united as one (as are all of the saints in heaven)

1 Corinthians 6:17: But he who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.

Mary,  the New Testament Ark of the Covenant

Revelation 11:19-12:1:Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;

Mary's body is in heaven

Revelation 12:1:And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;

Mary is Queen of Heaven

Revelation 12:1:And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;

Still at enmity with Satan

Revelation 12:17:Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

 

30 posted on 12/11/2017 6:22:34 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Yes, Jesus was born of a virgin.

Very clear prophesy fulfilled.

The rest is a masterful job of creating doctrine and then cherry picking verses to try to support it by making them imply things they don’t even come close to actually saying.


31 posted on 12/11/2017 6:54:11 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ebb tide; Religion Moderator
More [borderline] plagiarism. Borderline for reason that it's fairly obvious that's not your own work -- not your own writing. When copying from source (other than perhaps of one's own work) one really should post links to the source. For what was posted at comment #30 this thread, that source was obviously enough: http://www.catholicbible101.com/themaryverses.htm

The first part of the first sentence is the stuff of falsehood;

Opposition to Marian doctrines is not "putting the Mother of Jesus down". It is opposition to theological considerations, doctrines and dogma that have developed in regards to Mary.

33 posted on 12/11/2017 10:23:24 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome.)

And a rogue poster on FR...

57 posted on 12/12/2017 4:35:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
Here are some scripture quotes that refer to the Mother of God.

None of those Scripture quotes refer to the mother of God because God has no mother.

SOME of them reference Mary, the mother of Jesus.

75 posted on 12/12/2017 3:28:59 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ebb tide

Sure looks like goddess worship to me!


93 posted on 12/12/2017 10:23:38 PM PST by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: ebb tide
At enmity with satan

Genesis 3:15: I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

As the Catholic Encyclopedia Online notes, "the translation "she" of the Vulgate is interpretative; it originated after the fourth century, and cannot be defended critically. "http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6056

Mary sanctifies the greatest man (John the Baptist) while he is still in the womb

Luke 1:15:for he will be great before the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

Luke 1:41:And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit

There is nothing in these two verses indicating Mary "sanctified" John in any way.

Mary is the Mother of God Luke 1:43:And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Uh....Luke wrote the mother of my Lord.

Mary's role in intercession with Jesus

John 2:3-5:When the wine failed, the mother of Jesus said to him, "They have no wine." And Jesus said to her, "O woman, what have you to do with me? My hour has not yet come." His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you.

A one time event that is to highlight the beginning of His ministry. There is nothing in this text that indicates we are to go to Mary to get things done.

The text doesn't indicate if the guests came to her or if she did this on her own.

Mary is our Mother

John 19:26-27: When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son!" Then he said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.

The Greek of this statement indicates this was a private matter between Jesus, John and Mary. There is nothing in the text indicating Mary was given to the church.

Revelation 12:17:Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

If the Roman Catholic wants to appeal to this as support for Mary then they have to concede she was a sinner as Rev 12:1 notes, 2and she was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth. Genesis 3:16 16To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.”

114 posted on 12/30/2017 3:54:15 PM PST by ealgeone
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