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To: ebb tide; metmom

What was it that metmom asked you for? Chapter and verse for "Mary" being greater than angels, wasn't it?

None of the passages addressed that particular point, even though it's my own view the point itself is to perhaps ask the a wrong question...

The cut-'n-paste boilerplate which you posted serves little purpose, other than to perhaps showcase the mindset some (many?) Roman Catholics have in regard to "Mary", and how passages that make mention of her, or could be thought to, have suffered having meanings imposed upon the text that were not the understanding of the early church.

Victorinus, Died 303 or 304 AD, and according to wiki "an Early Christian ecclesiastical writer who flourished about 270 AD", Commentary on the Apocalypse of the Blessed John Chapter 12, from Ante Nicene Fathers, Volume 7 [title page here];

The woman clothed with the sun, and having the moon under her feet, and wearing a crown of twelve stars upon her head, and travailing in her pains, is the ancient Church of fathers, and prophets, and saints, and apostles,2298 which had the groans and torments of its longing until it saw that Christ, the fruit of its people according to the flesh long promised to it, had taken flesh out of the selfsame people. Moreover, being clothed with the sun intimates the hope of resurrection and the glory of the promise. And the moon intimates the fall of the bodies of the saints under the obligation of death, which never can fail. For even as life is diminished, so also it is increased. Nor is the hope of those that sleep extinguished absolutely, as some think, but they have in their darkness a light such as the moon. And the crown of twelve stars signifies the choir of fathers, according to the fleshly birth, of whom Christ was to take flesh.


2298 [No hint here that this was a manifestation of the Blessed Virgin, the modern fiction of Rome. See vol. vi, p. 355, this series.]
(link for the footnote 2298 altered to direct to proper page in ANFO6 for this information, page 336, directing to Methodius of Olympus [a.d. 260–312], also known as Eubulius, THE BANQUET OF THE TEN VIRGINS chpt.5 —The Woman Who Brings Forth, to Whom the Dragon is Opposed, the Church; Her Adornment and Grace. )

Your welcome...

60 Years On

34 posted on 12/12/2017 1:19:27 AM PST by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon
No hint here that this was a manifestation of the Blessed Virgin, the modern fiction of Rome

If Rome wants to claim it truly IS 'mary'; then it HAS to accept the OTHER things said about 'her' in Revelation chapter 12!!

59 posted on 12/12/2017 4:38:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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