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To: Sparticus

Not necessarily in the sense of Torah, where each letter of the Aleph-Bet possesses a numerical significance.

I don’t know that Ezekial’s statements are precisely correct, not having in depth knowledge. But I wouldn’t necessarily dismiss the whole concept out of hand.

I completely agree regarding astrology, however.


5 posted on 01/01/2018 12:11:16 PM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug; ptsal; Phinneous; jjotto; Jewbacca
There are numerous references in my post. If you have a specific question, feel free to ask. Here is more:

Gen 41

39. And Pharaoh said to Joseph, For as much as God has shown you all this, there is none so discreet and wise as you are:
40. You shall be over my house, and according to your word shall all my people be ruled; only in the throne will I be greater than you:

Joseph became the second in command, the VP so to speak.

Gen 49

26. The blessings of your father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors to the utmost bound of the everlasting hills; they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head [kodkod] of him who was separate from his brothers:

kodkod: vertex

Vertex (geometry)

In geometry, a vertex (plural: vertices or vertexes) is a point where two or more curves, lines, or edges meet. As a consequence of this definition, the point where two lines meet to form an angle and the corners of polygons and polyhedra are vertices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertex_(geometry)

Gen 37

3. Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was the son of his old age; and he made him a coat with long sleeves [ketonet passim, a striped tunic].

passim:

NTC's Hebrew and English Dictionary:

[pas] masc, n., pl. passim

1. strip, edge, band, stripe 2. rail track

Vertex (kodkod), vanishing point, VP:

 

Proverbs 10:25. As the stormy wind which passes, so is the wicked no more; but the righteous is an everlasting foundation (yesod olam):

Yosef is known throughout Jewish writings as "Yosef the Tzaddik." We are taught (Proverbs 10:25) that "A tzaddik is the foundation (yesod) of the world." If a tzaddik is the foundation of the world, and Yosef is called "Yosef the Tzaddik," Yosef is therefore associated with the quality of foundation (yesod).

Between the Lines
The Essential Bones of Joseph

olam:

I.long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world

properly, concealed, i.e. the vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future), i.e. (practically) eternity; frequentatively, adverbial (especially with prepositional prefix) always:—alway(-s), ancient (time), any more, continuance, eternal, (for, (n-)) ever(-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end).

In graphical perspective, a vanishing point is an abstract point on the image plane where 2D projections (or drawings) of a set of parallel lines in 3D space appear to converge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanishing_point

Gen 28

12. And he [Jacob] dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven; and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it:
13. And, behold, the Lord stood above it, and said, I am the Lord God of Abraham your father, and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie, to you will I give it, and to your seed:
14. And your seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south; and in you and in your seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed:

Behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven:

Joseph From the Kabbalistic Perspective

As we have already seen, early on Joseph is linked to the fulfillment of Jacob's legacy.

These are the generations of Jacob, Joseph was seventeen years old ...[Genesis 37:2]

At the outset, the Torah connects Jacob with Joseph. Of all his sons specifically Joseph holds the key to not only Jacob's but the family's mission. In this Torah portion, we will examine the implications of that mission from the mystical -- that is Kabbalistic -- standpoint. To do so, we must go back to the point where all it first began:

Genesis 37:3

Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was the son of his old age; and he made him a striped tunic.

"Olam" means forever:

yesod olam (יסוד עולם), 70 + 156, or 156 + 70:

יס + ודעולם
יסודעו + לם

Joseph (יוסף) = 156

his old age (זקנים) = 207 = ohr, raz (mystery)

As we have already seen, early on Joseph is linked to the fulfillment of Jacob's legacy.

Joseph and the secret code-code (קודקוד):

Gen 50

24. And Joseph said to his brothers, I die; and God will surely visit (pakod yifkod) you, and bring you out of this land to the land which he swore to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob:
25. And Joseph took an oath from the people of Israel, saying, God will surely visit (pakod yifkod) you, and you shall carry up my bones from here:

Yesod = 80, the letter pei, as in the "pei" code.

Perspectives. What is on the horizon. Har Tzion:

Isa 2:3. And many people shall go and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths; for from Zion shall go forth Torah, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem:

7 posted on 01/01/2018 1:20:12 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: onedoug
I'm well aware of the letter-number association in the ancient Hebrew alphabet and that certain numbers are associated with specific things or ideas in scripture. The problem is the way that some people start making fantastical leaps of illogical inference that makes numerology the theological equivalent of astrology.

Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital "T"
That rhymes with "P"
And that stands for Pool,
That stands for pool.
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in River City,
Right here!
Gotta figger out a way
To keep the young ones moral after school!
Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble...

8 posted on 01/01/2018 1:21:28 PM PST by Sparticus (Primary the Tuesday group!)
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To: onedoug; Lera; Bellflower; Zionist Conspirator
While on the subject of Jacob and Joseph and the reunification of the whole family of Israel...

The scholarly camps assign the joining of the two sticks/trees in Ezekiel 37 to the realm of the mystical and miraculous. After all, that's some pretty strange stuff. Or so it seems.

All I have to do, is join the two letters that look like forked tree branches (sticks) - the ayin (ע) and the final tzaddi(k) (ץ) - into one word and Voila! It's the word etz (עץ), the tree/stick.

Joined together as one word in the [writing] hand. It's the simple meaning.

It's so simple that a small child would catch on using refrigerator magnets.

Eze 37:19. Say to them, Thus says the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his companions, and will put them with him, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in my hand:

Seriously, the stuff that just sits there...

13 posted on 01/01/2018 2:34:50 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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