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To: delchiante
I had a little trouble understanding where you were coming from in your post at first. It sounded like you might be agreeing with me, but I wasn't sure.

The spring Feasts were fulfilled with Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but the Fall Feats are still in front of us. Being Old Testament and New Testament doesn't matter, it's all the same Book. Actually, Christians get to be under the Abrahamic covenant. The Mosaic covenant is the one to avoid. The covenant with Abraham was through faith and God did everything. The only works involved with Abraham was his faith and obedience.

The Easter thing is straight out of Babylon. If we wish to follow God, then we should celebrate Passover for His death, Unleavened Bread for His burial, and First Fruits as Resurrection Day. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, I've NEVER personally seen Passover or First Fruits land on Easter. It's always at least a week apart, usually more. Usually the Jewish calendar, being 30 days each month and 360 day year, the day will eventually land on the same day, but I've never seen Easter do this. The Sabbath was made to be on the 7th day in Genesis 1, and written into Law in Leviticus 23. No where in Scripture can you find God changing it to the first of the week. God even made a Commandment to make it clear what day we are to set aside for Him. Sunday worship comes from man changing it to worship the sun god of the pagans.

You are correct that Rome changed the times, laws, and calendars, and it was predicted this would happen by evil doers. To make believers stop worshiping on the proper days is a way to confuse people to follow the wrong person when the time came.

This is why all the confusion in the last days. "The Day that no one Knows" is Trumpets. Every Jew knows that. It's 2 days and it only starts when the New Moon is seen, which no one knows the day or the hour that will happen. All the other Feasts are done in the middle of the month with a full moon. This is why Paul told the Thessalonians they were not in the dark and they knew perfectly well the Lord would come as a thief in the night, A Jew knows that the High Priest would walk the walls and catch watchers sleeping and set their garments on fire so they would be naked. He is known as the "thief in the night". Our High Priest is Jesus and He will come when gentiles are asleep and leave them behind to face the Beast. Several places we are told to "Watch!" How can we watch if we don't know what day it will be? Christians all over the world are sitting in pews every Sunday convinced when Jesus comes they will be taken out, saved from the Beast. NOT TRUE! They will be left behind to face execution for their faith. These will be the souls under the Altar in Heaven beheaded because they wouldn't take the mark. The ones that knew the day, and knew to watch and prepare are taken out to be the Bride of Christ. We will be hidden away for the 7 years of Tribulation on the earth. Noah and the Flood is a type and shadow of this time. Noah built the Ark as God told him, then entered the Ark WHEN GOD TOLD HIM 7 DAYS BEFORE THE RAIN STARTED. Noah knew what to do a full week before the rain fell because God told him exactly what He was doing. The Bible tells the ones that have ears to hear, and eyes to see, exactly what He is going to do and the day He will do it. Just because we won't heed God's Word doesn't make what He has revealed to us untrue. You can follow God, or man and the world. I can guarantee He will not do anything on Christmas and Easter. If we know what these days are and we know where they came from, why are we still hanging on to something that is even forbidden in Scripture? Traditions of men!!

Deut 12:29-32 tells us NOT to follow the traditions of the Gentiles. Jer 10:1-5 specifically tells us a tree in the house is a Gentile idol. We know all these things, yet we still do them. We know Halloween is strictly pagan, yet even churches have get together's on that day to give their children a slice of pagan life so they won't feel left out of the lost world. How many observant Jews go out on Halloween to get candy for their children?

As for your point about the "daughters" of Rome, Yes, I'm hoping that people can see no matter what church they attend, they have been tainted by Rome. No matter what they want to believe about their origins, most of them came from some splinter of Rome. In Scripture, women are religions or denominations. A daughter comes from one of these women. Being a daughter of the Harlot is no better than being the Harlot if you continue her habits.

The problem with Jews is they missed Jesus, but they have the background we should learn from. The problem with Gentiles is we have Jesus, but we have no clue about the rest of the Bible. What God is looking for would fit with the Messianic movement of the Jews. If Jesus was born an observant Jew, lived as an observant Jew, died as an observant Jew, and ascended as an observant Jew, wouldn't it behoove most of us to learn the Bible to understand how we are to imitate Jesus? A Roman Caesar in 330 AD had no clue how to set up a Christian movement and could only copy his own idol worship inherited from Babylon. We can point to Islam and understand they are following the moon god from Babylon, but we cannot seem to see the same for us and the sun god of Babylon. Just like you said about thor's day, we can't seem to get it that sun day is not the Lords day as listed in Leviticus 23:3. Just last night in my church, we discussed Genesis 1 and many were still hanging on to a day could have been any amount of time to God. God said 6 times that and evening and a morning were the (such and such) day. He emphasized 6 times that a day was a day, but we still try to squeeze Darwinism and millions of years into the Bible. If we can't believe God created everything in 6 days, then we miss many more clues given in the Bible. In 2 Peter, Peter tells us that 1000 years is a day and a day is 1000 years in prophesy. We should be looking for something to happen in 6000 years of history and know that the next 1000 years will be Jesus' reign on Earth. He just got through with telling about Noah's Flood and the destruction of the Earth, but for some reason, we cannot read the words on the page and start to try to fit 1000 years as millions and millions of years. Was it happenstance that the Bible mentioned the rain started when Noah was 600 years old?

It would benefit every Christian to at least study once, the Feasts and Festivals of the Lord to understand more of Prophesy. Then they should study Judaism in general to understand more of what Jesus was talking about. Another one would be a study on spiritual language. Tree's are people, women are churches, birds are demons, wolves are demons, locusts are demons, bread is Jesus, living water is Jesus, Serpents and dragons are Satan, beasts of the field are demons, water is words, a flood comes from the devil and a spring comes from Jesus. There are literally dozens more and need to be learned to have ears to hear. Just as an example, read Isa 4:1.

And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, "We will eat our own food and wear our own apparel; Only let us be called by your name, To take away our reproach."

7 women are in letters in Revelation. They are all "so called" Christians. They will eat their own food, means they will make up their own doctrine. Wearing their own apparel, means they are self righteous and they call evil; good and good; evil. Only let us be called "Christian" instead of witches and Satan worshipers. He is saying that these churches are not even close to what God has laid out plainly in Scripture. In 90-100 AD, John wrote 3 John :9, which said a Greek church would not even allow him to enter the church, let alone speak. This is JOHN, the one Jesus loved, was forbidden to visit a church. This abomination is not new.

63 posted on 01/04/2018 11:23:21 AM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles

QuoteThe problem with Jews is they missed Jesus, but they have the background we should learn from.

A lot in there chuckles and I differ on some of the timing and future development..

Jews may miss Jesus today because they are expecting a little more Torah at least with him..

Israel was taught a calendar of 1 new moon day, 6 work days, 1 Sabbath day (Ezekiel 46:1 template)- they don’t follow it today..but it explains a lot of what we all read and study and why Israel was commanded to do what they were commanded to do..the easy answer is the Son.

Keeping with the topic, It is why boys were circumcised on the 8th day and how every 8th day of His months are the weekly 7th Sabbath.

Jews would be blessed to know:
The Messiah of Israel was born on the New Moon Day.
A day every month that was set apart by the Father as holy.

And then circumcised on the 7th Day Sabbath. A day every week that was set apart by the Father as holy.

And then presented in the temple 40 days after His birth, on the 10th day of the next month.
A day once a year that was set apart by the Father as holy.

Then baptised on His 30th birthday, the New Moon Day.
A day every month that was set apart by the Father as holy.

Then began His ministry 40 days after His birthday baptism, the 10th day of the next month.
A day every year that was set apart by the Father as holy.

Then laid His life down as the Passover Lamb on the 6th Day of the work week.
Feast of Passover- not yet evening but scriptures record the darkness needed to fulfill the law.
A work/preparation day set apart once a year, but commemorated every month as the 6th and final work day of His 2nd week.

He laid in the tomb as Unleavened Bread on the 7th Day Sabbath-
A Sabbath day set apart once a year by the Father as holy, but commemorated every month as the 7th Day Sabbath of His 2nd week.

He Rose from the tomb as First Fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
1st day of the 3rd work week. Feast of First Fruits.
A set apart day once a year by the Father, but commemorated every month as the 1st work day of His 3rd week.

Jews will miss the Word that Became Flesh because they are told He was born on December 25, circumcised on January 1, killed on Good Friday and raised on Easter Sunday, instead of what is found in Torah and the New Testament.

Problem is Christianity would have problems seeing it too.
I differ on Revelation than you because of this. I see great deception today. I see marks of lawlessness and disobedience today. Satan deceives the whole world today.. and the marks on the hand and foreheads are about a visible as they were when they were signs of obedience in Deuteronomy.

Today is the 16th day on the Fathers calendar. A day described above as ‘first fruits’ commemoration. The 1st day of His work week. You being at church yesterday meant you were there on His 7th Day Sabbath.
Again, not according to the world, but according to His Creation, His Word and The Word made Flesh.

Which is why the warning in Revelation to worship Him who made the heavens, earth, sea fountains of water in an Revelation 14 isn’t a future development in my journey. Why the patience of the saints is to ‘keep the commandment of God and faith of Jesus’..

Satan makes it hard keep the Commandments, to remember the Sabbath day when its hidden from the world.

The Messiah of Israel’s birth, circumcision,presentation in the temple, baptism, beginning of ministry, death,bural and resurrection is in the Old Testament Word.days He taught Israel to assemble.
He was circumcised on a weekly Sabbath and presented in the temple on annual Sabbath and laid in the tomb on a weekly Sabatb.
And beleve me, jews miss these as much as they an te rest of us stumble into them.

Jews prefer their own traditions of man too..and because Rome controls time, they are not going to see The Word made Flesh.

Some day the world will understand all of it. Until then, Satan deceives the whole world

Revelation 13 happens this very day..
Not enough people can see it.

May He bless your journey through this wilderness!

All for His Glory!

Funny you noted being in church yesterday. Yesterday was the Sabbath day (15th day) making today His 1st day(16th day), where it’s commemorated ‘let there be light’- the day that He rose from the grave to be first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.

One other note- evening and morning in Hebrew is not a day.
That is actually defined as ‘sunset’/fading of day and break of day/Dawn.
Those words for evening and morning are actually detailing Night ! The time between the day light.

That’s why you see His Creation work, then evening and morning-
Day- work performed
Evening and morning- night, no work
One day

That is how subtle the enemy is. Calling day night, and night day..

Again all for His Glory!


65 posted on 01/04/2018 1:06:25 PM PST by delchiante
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