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To: ealgeone
Thank you, thank you...

Thank you, but...

It's not "sola Scriptura". It's Scriptura in Ecclesia. The principle of "interpreting Scripture within the context of the entirety of Scripture" is thoroughly Catholic, ecclesial; and Traditional.

Look at Scripture itself: in it and woven through it is "the context of" God's people Israel: the Church.

Y'see. :o) Scriptura Si, Sola No.

Scripture itself says so. Taglinr.

14 posted on 01/03/2018 12:13:35 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Timothy 3:15)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Look at Scripture itself: in it and woven through it is "the context of" God's people Israel: the Church.

Yes [except believers are God's people also]...and as noted before...so much of what Rome teaches is not found in Scripture.

The Immaculate Conception for example. Rome's own Catholic Encyclopedia online admits "No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture."

http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6056

There is even a Roman Catholic writing by Alexander VII that admits Roman Catholics worship Mary!

Antigua is the piety of the faithful Christians to the Blessed Virgin Mary, who feel in their soul, that in the moment of its creation and infusion in the body, was preserved free from the stain of original sin, by a singular grace and privilege of God , in view of the merits of his son Jesus Christ, the Redeemer of mankind, and that, in this respect, worship and celebrated with solemn ceremony the feast of his conception; and already grown its number, and after that Sixto IV, of happy remembrance, publish their apostolic constitutions, refurbished and sent to observe by the Council of Trent, which recommends this cult, this increased.

Was again increased and spread this devotion or worship to the mother of God after erect, with the approval of the Roman popes, monasteries of religious orders and confraternities in honor of that name, and after granted indulgences in the same sense in such a way that, when the majority of universities and the most famous among them were folded to that doctrine, almost all Catholics supported it.

Apostolic Constitution "Sollicitudo Omnium Ecclesiarum", His Holiness Alexander VII, on the Immaculate conception of the Blessed Virgin the 8 December 1661

The history of how the Immaculate Conception came about is very interesting.

It was not "universally" approved by the Roman Catholic Church as some have suggested. Alphonsus de Liguori notes, in the Glories of Mary, that 228 writers expressed a view on the IC: 92 were opposed; 136 in favor...59.6%.

https://books.google.com/books?id=zdZuBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT229&lpg=PT229&dq=the+glories+of+mary+this+devotion+and+worship+to+the+mother+of+God+again+increased+and+was&source=bl&ots=O0BsOlkzZQ&sig=bWUZaTAJkx1JpBFlFF-IIFy_vR4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjG4tST1bzYAhVIKiYKHTG-Ag0Q6AEIMzAC#v=onepage&q=the%20glories%20of%20mary%20this%20devotion%20and%20worship%20to%20the%20mother%20of%20God%20again%20increased%20and%20was&f=false

[note: there were no page numbers in this version on google books]

That is not a universal acceptance of the dogma.

What pushed it over the finish line?

Whilst these disputes went on, the great universities and almost all the great orders had become so many bulwarks for the defense of the dogma. In 1497 the University of Paris decreed that henceforward no one should be admitted a member of the university, who did not swear that he would do the utmost to defend and assert the Immaculate Conception of Mary. Toulouse followed the example; in Italy, Bologna and Naples; in the German Empire, Cologne, Maine, and Vienna; in Belgium, Louvain; in England before the Reformation. Oxford and Cambridge; in Spain Salamanca, Toledo, Seville, and Valencia; in Portugal, Coimbra and Evora; in America, Mexico and Lima. The Friars Minor confirmed in 1621 the election of the Immaculate Mother as patron of the order, and bound themselves by oath to teach the mystery in public and in private. The Dominicans, however, were under special obligation to follow the doctrines of St. Thomas, and the common conclusion was that St. Thomas was opposed to the Immaculate Conception. Therefore the Dominicans asserted that the doctrine was an error against faith (John of Montesono, 1373); although they adopted the feast, they termed it persistently "Sanctificatio B.M.V." not "Conceptio", until in 1622 Gregory XV abolished the term "sanctificatio". Paul V (1617) decreed that no one should dare to teach publicly that Mary was conceived in original sin, and Gregory XV (1622) imposed absolute silence (in scriptis et sermonibus etiam privatis) upon the adversaries of the doctrine until the Holy See should define the question. To put an end to all further cavilling, Alexander VII promulgated on 8 December 1661, the famous constitution "Sollicitudo omnium Ecclesiarum", defining the true sense of the word conceptio, and forbidding all further discussion against the common and pious sentiment of the Church. He declared that the immunity of Mary from original sin in the first moment of the creation of her soul and its infusion into the body was the object of the feast (Densinger, 1100).http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6056

Neither Paul, Luke, John, Matthew, Mark, or Peter ever wrote an exception for Mary. The New Testament is clear...all have sinned. There has only been one person who has lived a sinless life: Christ Jesus.

This is but one reason why Christianity rejects Roman Catholic Tradition as being on par with Scripture.

20 posted on 01/03/2018 1:02:29 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The principle of "interpreting Scripture within the context of the entirety of Scripture" is thoroughly Catholic, ecclesial; and Traditional.

...and circular.

120 posted on 01/05/2018 4:24:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth."

For those who do not believe in resurrection; just lookee here at this talking point again!

121 posted on 01/05/2018 4:25:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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