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To: Louis Foxwell; Claud
As a lifelong Protestant I can say that a critical distinction between P and RC is the recognition that human institutions are corrupt.

As Claud quite correctly points out, "all human institutions are corrupt" includes the "human institution" you see in the mirror every day. In fact -- and I think you can probably see this in your own lived experience -- Joe Schmoe is probably the least likely person to give a sound judgement WRT his own sins. He's too personally invested in them. (Part of the spiritual reason for the sacrament of marriage, BTW.)

Someone else -- almost anyone else, even someone who is personally a bigger sinner than Joe (as long as he has no personal investment in Joe's sins, which is not true WRT Pope Francis and divorce-and-remarriage, sadly) -- is more likely than Joe to judge Joe with justice.

But I would submit to you that that's not even the question you should ask. The question you should ask is, "What system did Christ himself set up on earth to propagate the Gospel and be a home for Christians?" WWJD, in other words.

If Christ is the perfect God-man, it stands to reason that the system he set up would be, relatively speaking in a fallen world, the perfect system. It also stands to reason that that system would endure until the end of time, because Jesus said as much in the Great Commission.

And only the Catholics and Orthodox even claim to have institutional continuity back to Christ and the Apostles. There are no other possible candidates.

16 posted on 01/05/2018 5:05:43 AM PST by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: Campion

“Go into all the world and share the gospel” is not an admonition to establish an hierarchical corporation.
“You are my rock and upon this rock I will build my church” is not a delineator of global leadership.
“My kingdom is not of this world” rightly distinguishes the nature of the church as eternal with God, not as a wealth building enterprise on planet earth.


20 posted on 01/05/2018 5:30:34 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Islam is Satans finest work.)
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To: Campion
But I would submit to you that that's not even the question you should ask. The question you should ask is, "What system did Christ himself set up on earth to propagate the Gospel and be a home for Christians?" WWJD, in other words.

No, the question is the one Jesus put to the disciples....Who do you say I am?

He's not going to be interested in what church you belonged to.

And only the Catholics and Orthodox even claim to have institutional continuity back to Christ and the Apostles. There are no other possible candidates.

And as has been demonstrated Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy don't agree on the some of the "big" issues between the two. So which one is correct?

The Catholic continues to labor under the belief that longevity is an indicator of accuracy. As has been demonstrated that is not the case. So much of Rome's theology has "evolved" over the years.

28 posted on 01/05/2018 7:53:49 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Campion
We understand your perspective on that score.

It's not ours. And this thread is not to debate those issues that have stood for 1600+ years.

We believe that Christ died for Relationship and THAT'S what He set up--"Where 2 or 3 ... I am in the midst of them." We don't think that sounds like an institution.

Nevertheless, that's not the topic of this thread. You have abundant posts on that score from way back hereon.

38 posted on 01/05/2018 10:25:23 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Campion
And only the Catholics and Orthodox even claim to have institutional continuity back to Christ and the Apostles. There are no other possible candidates.

Although both mutually exclude each other as uniquely being the one true church. Besides other elitist competitors

66 posted on 01/05/2018 1:58:52 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Campion

Your post is exactly why oil and water won’t mix.


80 posted on 01/05/2018 5:42:18 PM PST by caww
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