Posted on 01/21/2018 5:41:44 PM PST by marshmallow
The Church of England's ruling synod is set for a 'controversial' debate moving towards ending a 200-year-old schism with the Methodists.
The two Churches split in the 18th century when John Wesley, a CofE cleric, reluctantly founded the breakaway movement after trying to reform Anglicanism.
Proposals to bring the two closer together are likely to face strong opposition from some when the next stage in a two-year long process is debated by the CofE's ruling General Synod next month.
The plans, if eventually implemented, would mean that ministers from one Church could practise in the other.
'Acceptance of the proposals would be a profound sign of reconciliation, a healing of wounds that go back to the orgins of Methodism in the 18th century,' Christopher Cocksworth, the Bishop of Coventry and chair of the CofE's faith and order commission, said in a briefing document published on Friday.
'The generosity asked of both churches would speak powerfully of a desire for the flourishing in unity and witness of the whole Church of God, and not first and foremost the entrenchment of our own institutions,' he added.
If approved it would represent a hugely significant step for both churches.
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This is fantastic news. I am elated. I grew up and was confirmed Methodist and was married in the Episcopal Church. The only problem: both have moved so far left that I really want nothing to do with either.
BUT
both have moved so far left that I really want nothing to do with either.
If you're so elated, buckle down and work with others "so elated" and change things. It may take years. What have you got to lose?
I’ll trade the Methodists a Pope for a collection of old hymnals.
Both groups want more and better buggery.
Seem like two apostate churches joining together for their social gospel country clubs.
That’s exactly my concern: this is an attempt by the far left liberal UMC faction to keep its control of the denomination. They are scared to death of the confessing movement and the Weslyan covenant association. And they should be.
I saw first hand the shift of the Methodist church some time in the late 1970’s when young adults from my church got up and spoke in favor of the election of Robert Mugabe
who was running against a Methodist Bishop, Abel Muzorewa.
I knew I was done with the church then. I did attend that church with my elderly parents a few times after that.
After they passed away (both had funerals in the church),
I was completely done with that domination.
Lisa creates Lutherans. They are sorta like Methodists....
Lisa Creates Life - The Simpsons -at 1:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l7zJ7NsFjY
American Methodists are not likely to merge much with the CofE as long as it is the official state church of England. I take it the article is only discussing the Methodist Church of Great Britain. If THAT church were to get into a merger process with the CofE it may produce a schism in global Methodism.
In the mid-twentieth century, one of the leading British Methodists was William E. Sangster, an articulate Bible-centered evangelist whose preaching resembled that of Dwight Moody or Billy Graham in this country. However, following his death from Charcot’s disease, aka ALS, in 1959, British Methodism moved left.
I will trade them some high Anglican liturgy and
Their own personal ordinariate
For the complete works of John Wesley.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_ordinariate
If somebody agrees to take the lady bishops
For a player to be named later
When I grew up sin in the Episcopal Church was discovering a teenager with a hip flask at a church dance.
It was a branch of the yachting and gulf club and Sunday service was held on the 1st tee or the starting line.
John Wesley - Christian Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgPkCLdjodU
The traditional Methodist hymnal is a classic. Of course brother Charles Wesley was a rather prolific first rate talent. Future generations will look back upon the current century as the second dark ages in comparison to all that went before.
WHERE do the Methodists go forward ... With liturgy
John Wesley, the famed Anglican priest-evangelist of the eighteenth century, was devoted to the eucharist throughout his life, to a degree that alarmed other Anglicans and made him laughable at Oxford as an adherent to the old High Church traditions of his day. At a time when the Eucharist was offered in many places only three times a year, Wesley celebrated it or participated in it at least weekly, and in high seasons of church life it was often a daily part of his life. He also understood the notion of the divine invitation of God’s sacrificial grace and the human sacrificial response as central to the whole eucharistic liturgy. Long before, during and after his central conversion experience of 24 May 1738 Wesley remained a devoted and frequent communicant.
Bkmrk.
Which illustrates what i have said before, that one can be off in this doctrine and still be saved. Which even as a Catholic (which i presume you to be) who holds to the erroneous RC understanding of the Lord's supper , for John Wesley explicitly rejected transubstantiation:
[N]o such change of the bread into the body of Christ can be inferred from his words, "This is my body." [...] [T]hat they are not to be taken literally is manifest form the words of St. Paul, who calls it bread, not only before, but likewise after, the consecration [...] [a]nd accordingly these elements are called by the Fathers, "the images, the symbols, the figure, of Christ's body and blood.
Instead his mystical view is argued as being of the Reformed spiritual presence view. Which is not mine.
Neither of your links worked.
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