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1 posted on 01/30/2018 10:26:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I support you in your desire to follow Christ. That does not mean I support the many fallacies you have presented as your “facts” in this paen to Pallestine.


2 posted on 01/30/2018 10:33:59 AM PST by True-Stu
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“We are not ashamed that we are Palestinian, even as some of our brethren try to deny our history, our identity or our ‘nakba;’ the trauma that we collectively experienced in 1948 and continue to experience to this day.…

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
— Revelation 21:8
Some “Evangelical Christian” who pushes the sick Satanic lie against Israel and refuses to believe the words of God.
3 posted on 01/30/2018 10:36:27 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: SeekAndFind

AS a pre-millennial dispensationalist myself, I can definitely state that there are a lot of strawmen in his argument.


4 posted on 01/30/2018 10:36:31 AM PST by chesley (What is life but a long dialog with imbeciles? - Pierre Ryckmans)
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To: SeekAndFind

There are different sorts of Palestinians these days, but a “Palestinian Jew” is, by definition, nonexistent. Those who you might think fit the description are instead referred to as “settlers”, “occupiers”, or “dead”.


5 posted on 01/30/2018 10:41:20 AM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: SeekAndFind
I never heard that Israel had “no people living in it.”

I have heard that there were few people, and that many of those people who were there were Jews living in effective slavery under Islam.
I have also heard that the people who lived there under the Ottoman Turks welcomed the change when Britain took over during the first world war.

I have heard that the Muslims had become upset that the Brits tried to restrict the more violent aspects of Sharia Law that in the 1930s the Muslim population aligned itself with the NAZIs and that the Palestinian Mufti himself spent the war in Berlin collaborating with the Germans. Particularly on matters pertaining to the Jews.

I have heard that when it appeared that Jews (fleeing extermination flooded into Jerusalem and the land of ancient Israel in the late forties appeared likely to be granted their own state by the government against whom the Muslim populace had rebelled during the second world war) were possibly going to be granted their own state a great ragtag jihadi multitude of rabble flooded into the area from all over the Muslim world. A population that vastly exceeded the native Muslim numbers.

In short, I have heard that most Palestinians are not, in fact, descendants of people who lived in the area for centuries. They are descendants of a jihadi army who came to kill Jews.

Don't lecture people on history Jack Sara. You don't seem to know much of it.

Instead, tell people of God's plan to remove the punishment for their sins by taking that burden on himself and dying in their place. If you really are an evangelical.

7 posted on 01/30/2018 10:55:04 AM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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We are not ashamed that we are Palestinian, even as some of our brethren try to deny our history, our identity or our "nakba;" the trauma that we collectively experienced in 1948

What was the disaster in 1948? That you were unable to kill the Jews?

The UN proposed partition in 1948. A two state solution. The Jews accepted, the Arabs declared war, a war that continues to this day. The Jews have always been ready to make peace. Bill Clinton was shocked at the huge concessions that Israel was willing to make to Yasser Arafat. Arafat said no.

9 posted on 01/30/2018 11:15:12 AM PST by iowamark
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To: SeekAndFind

Cool! My wife and I went to a Sunday service at this fellow’s church in the old City of Jerusalem in November. Services in Arabic, with very interesting music and sermon translated to English. And to get there, we had to go through the Muslim Quarter via a bunch of unmarked alleys and stairs. A highlight of our trip.


21 posted on 01/30/2018 3:57:10 PM PST by Chaguito
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From such a theology, we might conclude that our resistance to our devastation means that we also are cursed. And yet, we are not ashamed of our own unique history here, or our voice – which we dare to bring to the proverbial table with our global family. And despite extensive teaching to the contrary, I am not ashamed to admit that I cannot find anything in the Bible that compels me to stand politically and financially with any nation-state, regardless of its ethics or actions.

  1. The real problem is one professing to be a Christian and proclaiming the resistance, which in the unique history of the Palestinians is violence and terrorism against the Jewish people, and others.
  2. If he lives in the State of Israel he enjoys more religious freedom and tolerance than he would in any Moslem majority nation I can think of. If he lives in the Palestinian Territories then he has Palestinian local government.


And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel. How shall I curse, whom God hath not cursed? or how shall I defy, whom the LORD hath not defied? For from the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: lo, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations. Who can count the dust of Jacob, and the number of the fourth part of Israel? Let me die the death of the righteous, and let my last end be like his! And Balak said unto Balaam, What hast thou done unto me? I took thee to curse mine enemies, and, behold, thou hast blessed them altogether. And he answered and said, Must I not take heed to speak that which the LORD hath put in my mouth?

Numbers, Catholic chapter twenty three, Protestant verses seven to twelve,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

36 posted on 01/31/2018 6:29:01 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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